Name: 灣街人生：圖利歐都會大學的奇蹟！ ft. Murtaza Haider (Life on Bay Street: The Magic of Toronto Metropolitan University With Murtaza Haider)
Uploaded: 2026-01-20T17:53:17.000Z
Duration: 21 min 8 s

Welcome everyone to another episode of Breaking Boundaries, the world's premier podcast for international students, or at least in the top 25.

歡迎大家來到 Breaking Boundaries 的最新一集！這是國際學生界最頂尖的 Podcast，至少也是前 25 名喔。

I'm joined here today by Dr. Murtaza Haider of the Toronto Metropolitan University School of Business Management.

今天很高興邀請到多倫多都會大學商學管理學院的 Dr. Murtaza Haider 教授。

Murtaza, thank you so much for joining us today.

Murtaza，非常謝謝你今天來參加我們的節目。

All right, so my first question, I was looking at your CV and it's overwhelming.

好的，我的第一個問題，我看了一下你的 CV，真的太厲害了。

You're a professor of data science and real estate management.

你是資料科學和房地產管理的教授。

You're also a research director, you run your own data analytics firm, you're a journalist.

你同時也是研究總監，經營自己的資料分析公司，而且你還是一位記者。

So my first question is, when do you find time to sleep?

所以我的第一個問題是，你到底都什麼時候睡覺啊？

People who don't sleep make more mistakes than those who don't who have regular sleep.

不睡覺的人比有規律睡眠的人更容易犯錯。

I just try to organize things in a proper way and there's no secret sauce.

我只是試著把事情好好地安排一下，沒有什麼祕訣。

Just be a little organized and don't procrastinate.

I do have a no cell phone in the bedroom role that I've implemented and I think it's, I think it's impacted my sleep in a positive way.

我實施了臥室禁手機規定，我覺得這對我的睡眠有正面影響。

Unfortunately, my 3 year old and 5 year old see things differently.

可惜的是，我那三歲和五歲的孩子們想法不太一樣。

So let me, let me ask you another curiosity.

所以，讓我想問你另一個好奇的問題。

Toronto Metropolitan University, you were located in the heart of one of the world's most dynamic metropolitan areas, but

多倫多都會大學，你們位在世界上最活躍的大都會區之一的核心，但是

tell me a little bit more about what makes your university unique.

能多告訴我一些是什麼讓你們大學與眾不同嗎？

Many things are so distinguished about the Toronto Metropolitan University in our faculty of management, the Ted Roger School of Management, many universities.

多倫多都會大學的商學管理學院，Ted Rogers 商學管理學院，有很多大學，有許多傑出的地方。

So first of all, we are blessed with some very good institutions in Toronto.

所以首先，我們很幸運在多倫多有幾所很棒的大學。

We have Toronto Metropolitan University, we have York University and we have University of Toronto and many other good quality colleges.

我們有我們多倫多都會大學，有約克大學，還有多倫多大學以及許多其他優質的大學。

What sets us apart is our business focus.

讓我們與眾不同的是我們的商業重點。

We have always been focused on careers because Ryerson or we were used to be called Ryerson University before that, Ryerson Polytechnic University.

我們一直都專注於職涯，因為瑞爾森，或者我們以前叫做瑞爾森大學，瑞爾森理工大學。

And the evolution of this institution has been along the lines of preparing young minds for careers in all sorts of different careers, not just business or economics, but

而這所學校的發展一直是朝著為年輕人準備各行各業的職涯方向，不只是商業或經濟，而是

It is a career focused approach and making our students career ready.

這是一種以職涯為中心的做法，讓我們的學生為職涯做好準備。

And as we approach this artificial intelligence era, we are now focused on making our students automation proof or robotic proof.

而隨著我們進入這個人工智慧時代，我們現在的重點是讓我們的學生具備自動化或機器人無法取代的能力。

So this focus on careers and preparing people for life has distinguished us.

所以這種對職涯和為人生做準備的重視，讓我們與眾不同。

We have not embarked on those traditional, some of the traditional ways that universities work, like a focus on philosophy and whatnot.

我們沒有走上傳統大學的一些做法，像是專注於哲學之類的。

這是在我們發展過程中比較晚期才出現的。

We started off with very practical training so that, that in our DNA, the distinguishing factor has always been Preparing students for careers in whatever areas of life they choose.

我們一開始就提供非常實用的訓練，所以，這已經是我們的DNA了，我們與眾不同的地方一直是為學生選擇的任何人生領域的職涯做好準備。

And that's why we have been so fortunate that our people who applied to us, we used to be the one and we have until very recently we were the most applied to university in Canada or in Ontario, our province.

這也是為什麼我們很幸運，申請我們學校的人非常多，我們曾經是，而且直到最近，我們一直是加拿大或安大略省申請人數最多的大學。

And that the reason being that our reputation has always been that if you want to build a career, if you want to get the education that prepares you for careers, come to Toronto Metropolitan University.

原因是我們的聲譽一直都是，如果你想建立職涯，如果你想獲得能為職涯做準備的教育，就來多倫多都會大學。

On your website the university describes in great detail its experiential learning.

在你們的網站上，這所大學詳細介紹了它的體驗式學習。

And being in the economic hub of this part of North America I imagine confers more opportunities on this career.

而且身處北美這個區域的經濟中心，我想這能為職涯帶來更多機會。

I'm glad you bring it up because I am curious.

很高興你這麼說，因為我很好奇。

A lot of prospective international students are curious about what life looks like beyond graduation.

很多有興趣申請的國際學生，都很好奇畢業後的生活是什麼樣子。

So for students who are eyeing a career in business management, perhaps other fields who are coming from overseas, there have been many policy shifts, probably more policy shifts forthcoming in the next few years.

所以對於那些瞄準商學管理領域，或是其他領域，而且是來自海外的學生來說，已經發生了很多政策變動，未來幾年可能還會有更多。

What tips do you have for international students who are thinking about that post graduation career potentially in Canada, maybe back home?

你有什麼建議給考慮畢業後在加拿大，或者可能回國發展的國際學生嗎？

Yes, Let me just start by saying that our very location in downtown Toronto, we are a downtown located university, which means that within a 10 minute walk from our campus we have half a million jobs in Toronto because we are right next to downtown.

沒錯，讓我先說，我們學校就位於多倫多市中心，我們是一所市中心的大學，這意味著從我們校園步行十分鐘內，就有五十萬個工作機會，因為我們就在市中心旁邊。

So my, my, the Ted Rogers School of Management, the business school address is 575 Bay street and Bay street is Canada's Wall Street.

所以，我的，我的，Ted Rogers 商學管理學院，也就是商學院的地址是 Bay Street 575 號，Bay Street 就是加拿大的華爾街。

So if you say well we are located in Wall street, it's the same as in saying Wall street in New York or Bay street in Toronto.

所以如果你說我們位於華爾街，那就跟說我們位於紐約的華爾街或多倫多的 Bay Street 一樣。

And within, within a 1km radius there are about half a million jobs.

在一公里半徑內，大約有五十萬個工作機會。

And that is why, because the Toronto's employment market is the employment hub of Canada.

這就是為什麼，因為多倫多的就業市場是加拿大的就業中心。

所以所有這些工作都集中在這裡。

So if you're looking into engineering or business or applied fields, chances are that the job you will get will be within walking distance of the campus.

所以如果你在考慮工程、商業或應用領域，你很有可能找到的工作就在離校園步行距離內。

Now the thing is that we, that is Canada came a little late to international students.

現在的問題是，我們，也就是加拿大，在國際學生這方面起步有點晚。

Before us it was New Zealand and then Australia and the United States and before all of them Great Britain, where international students have gone in the past.

在我們之前是紐西蘭，然後是澳洲和美國，在他們之前是英國，這些都是過去國際學生的留學地。

Now as our reputation increased in Canada globally and people Learned about the 90 plus universities we have in Canada and these are all public sector universities, so they started to come from abroad to Canada.

現在隨著我們在加拿大的全球聲譽不斷提升，人們開始瞭解我們加拿大有九十幾所大學，而且這些都是公立大學，所以他們開始從國外來到加拿大。

And then at one point in 2002 we were getting about 600,000 international students to Canada, which was far more, maybe four times more than we had accepted in before the COVID pandemic.

然後在 2002 年的時候，我們大約有 60 萬國際學生來到加拿大，這比我們在 COVID 疫情前接受的學生人數多了很多，可能多了四倍。

And then those numbers have been scaled down a bit because of the capacity issues.

然後因為容量問題，那些數字被稍微縮減了一些。

And also many of those students were going to colleges, not to universities.

而且很多學生是去學院，而不是大學。

Universities never had the capacity issue.

Most universities have tons of capacity now, despite the changes in regulations.

大部分大學現在容量都很多，即使法規有變動。

If you are an international student and if you're focused on getting good quality education at a university in Canada, the changes do not affect you much.

如果你是國際學生，而且你很重視在加拿大的大學接受優質教育，這些變動對你的影響不大。

those quotas are designed to have universities get priority on getting and attracting the best students.

這些配額是為了讓大學在招收和吸引最優秀的學生方面獲得優先權。

Because we were losing a lot of students to colleges.

因為我們流失了好多學生到學院。

I mentioned that we have public sector colleges and they're tremendously good quality colleges.

我提到我們有公立學院，它們都是品質非常好的學院。

But then a lot of the private sector colleges and some were sort of dubious credentials were also got in and it started bringing in people.

但後來很多私立學院，有些甚至是學歷可疑的，也開始招收學生。

And that created a little bit of problem here.

But the fact is that if you look at a Canadian university, if it says University of Toronto, if it says Toronto Metropolitan University, if it says McGill University, if it says Cape Breton universities, these are all big size, small size University, we are 46,000 students at Toronto Metropolitan University of Toronto has over 90,000 students.

但事實是，如果你看看加拿大的大學，像是多倫多大學、多倫多都會大學、麥基爾大學、開普頓大學，這些都是大型或小型大學，我們多倫多都會大學有 46,000 名學生，多倫多大學則有超過 90,000 名學生。

Cape Breton may be a smaller institution with 8,000 students.

開普頓大學可能是一間規模較小的學校，有 8,000 名學生。

規模大小跟它們在哪裡沒有關係。

Canada's public sector universities are of tremendous quality, tremendous rigor and the ability to come here and study at a university allows you from a four year degree program.

加拿大的公立大學品質非常卓越，學術要求嚴謹，而且在這裡唸大學，你可以從四年制的學位課程。

If you're at an undergraduate level or a master's program, it allows you to be able to apply for a work permit after post, after graduation.

無論你是大學部還是碩士班，畢業後都可以申請工作簽證。

That work permit could be up to, I believe, three years.

我相信那個工作簽證最長可以到三年。

still you can apply for a work permit and then work and gain experience related to your field of education that you just been trained.

你還是可以申請工作簽證，然後工作，並獲得與你剛受訓的教育領域相關的經驗。

It doesn't really matter if you want to finish your degree as an international student and may you may want to go back to your home country or you may say, you know, let me try it now, let me augment my educational experience with work experience.

如果你想以國際學生的身份完成學位，然後想回母國，或者你想說，嗯，讓我現在試試看，讓我用工作經驗來充實我的教育經驗，這其實都沒關係。

So there's a very good chance, there's actually a very good.

所以機會很大，其實真的有很好的機會。

If you're successful in completing a degree from a university, the transition into a work permit is straightforward.

如果你順利從大學畢業，申請工作簽證的過程會很順利。

And then you get the work permit and then you decide if you want to have a one, two, three year experience.

然後你拿到工作簽證後，就可以決定要累積一年、兩年、還是三年的工作經驗。

And after that, again it's your decision.

You want to stay, you want to and build a life in Canada or you want to return to your home country.

你想留在加拿大，建立你的生活，或者你想回你的母國。

People have obligations, aging parents, family, siblings, businesses to take care of.

人們有他們的責任，像是年邁的父母、家人、手足、需要照顧的事業。

But it adds this freedom for you to decide, maybe I want to add another one, two or three years to my life in Canada and get practical experience.

但這也給你更多自由去決定，也許我想在加拿大再多待一兩三年，累積實務經驗。

So, yes, regulations have changed, but they do not affect universities as much.

所以，是的，規定確實有變，但對大學的影響沒有那麼大。

There are additional requirements that we have to go through to get our students in, international students, but

我們需要通過一些額外的要求才能讓我們的學生，國際學生，進入，但是

that does not really create a big problem.

It is still the best place to be for international students to get higher education.

對國際學生來說，這裡仍然是接受高等教育的最佳地點。

I think it's very well said and probably puts a lot of minds at ease.

我覺得說得很好，這大概能讓很多人安心。

You know, you mentioned the size of Toronto Metropolitan, 46,000 students.

說到多倫多都會大學的規模，有四萬六千名學生。

we had international students, but it was one student from this country and one student from that country.

我們也有國際學生，但大概就是來自這個國家的一位，來自那個國家的一位。

And I think they often felt like they were on an island.

我覺得他們常常感覺自己像座孤島。

So, you know, moving beyond the course curriculum, you know, socially, with 46,000 students, many of whom are international, is it fair to say that students are more likely to find cohorts, peers of the same creed, nationality, religion, affinity, et cetera?

所以，除了課程之外，在社交方面，有四萬六千名學生，其中很多都是國際學生，我們可以說學生們比較容易找到同信仰、同國籍、同宗教、有相同興趣的同伴嗎？

Now that's where Toronto's magic comes in.

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