Name: 揭密「激烈競爭」的成名機器，還有更多！| 互動派對 (Breaking down the ‘Heated Rivalry’ fame machine, and more | Engagement Party)
Uploaded: 2026-01-17T17:51:21.000Z
Duration: 24 min 27 s

情態副詞

California sober means I only smoke weed.

California sober 意思是隻抽大麻。

Brooklyn sober 意思是隻用 ketamine。

程度副詞

Because I have friends who live in Brooklyn.

Okay, well, this is a special episode of the Assignment, which we're gonna call Engagement Party because it is about all the things we're sort of engaging with and why we're obsessed, which means I actually had to bring in a friend who is as obsessed as me.

好啦，這是 Assignment 的特別節目，我們就叫它 Engagement Party，因為它講的都是我們在「投入」的事情，以及為什麼我們會沉迷，這表示我真的要找一個跟我一樣沉迷的朋友來。

Oh, and I'm so happy to be here with you on your show, audience.

喔，而且我很高興能在你的節目上跟大家一起！

I'm happy to not be talking about the news for a moment.

We have spent our entire lives covering serious, hard, major news stories.

我們花了畢生的時間報導嚴肅、艱難、重大的新聞事件。

And when the mic turns off, we talk about everything else, little cultural artifacts, and

而當麥克風關掉時，我們會聊其他所有事情，小小的文化產物，然後

you turn to someone you love and respect and you say, I have to talk about this.

你會轉向你愛且尊敬的人，然後說，我一定要聊這個。

The first thing I want to talk about is the idea of a breakout star in the era of our Lord Beyonce's Internet.

我第一個想聊的，就是在我們 Beyoncé's Internet 這個時代，關於爆紅新星的概念。

And in this case, I think there are two breakout stars, Connor Story and Hudson Williams.

在這個情況下，我認為有兩位爆紅新星，Connor Story 和 Hudson Williams。

Basically, the only way to talk about this to you is heated rivalry.

基本上，跟你聊這個的唯一方式就是激烈競爭。

It's your Instagram feed, not a nonstop grid of these two.

這是你的Instagram feed，不是這兩位的無止盡輪播。

On late night, on podcasts and red carpets, like closed, unclosed.

在晚間節目、podcasts 和星光大道上，就像關閉、未關閉一樣。

I'm getting, is it just my feed or it's not just you?

我收到的是，是我自己看到的嗎，還是不只我？

There are these moments, and all of a sudden, someone's star is on the ascent.

會有那種時刻，突然之間，某人的星光就開始閃耀。

Can they convert it into financial success and also creative success.

他們能將其轉化為財務上的成功，同時也是創意上的成功嗎？

You compare it to a generation ago when someone like Matt Damon and Ben Affleck came out with Good Will Hunting and built a career of stardom when Hollywood and our attention was way less fractured.

你會發現，就像二十年前，馬特·戴蒙和班·艾佛列克因為《心靈捕手》爆紅，在當時好萊塢和我們的注意力還沒那麼分散的情況下，建立了自己的巨星事業。

But these guys, unlike people who split, spend years working on an album or get cast in some huge franchise like the Hunger Games or Harry Potter.

但這些人不一樣，不像有些人會花好幾年做一張專輯，或是被選進像《飢餓遊戲》或《哈利波特》這種大系列。

These guys thought they were making a little Canadian show that nobody would ever see.

他們原本以為只是在拍一齣沒人會看的加拿大小影集。

Connor Story said that he was ready to go back to waiting tables in Los Angeles after this came out, and

康納·史託瑞說，這部劇出來後，他已經準備好回洛杉磯去當服務生了，

suddenly they're presenting at the Golden Globes, which is crazy.

結果突然間他們就要去頒金球獎了，這真的很瘋狂。

And they're handling it pretty amazingly.

I think it's cause they're digital natives, like, hardcore digital natives.

我認為是因為他們是數位原住民，是那種超級數位原住民。

This is how they were raised on the feed, specifically because they embrace the parasocial relationship.

他們就是在社群動態裡長大的，特別是因為他們擁抱了這種類社交關係。

They are at all times talking directly to their audience.

他們隨時都在直接跟觀眾對話。

They don't dismiss their audience like they are 100% in dialogue at all.

他們不會輕視觀眾，而是百分之百地投入對話。

Because today, if you're going to go on a late night talk show, it's not because people are going to watch that show.

因為現在，如果你要上一個晚間節目，不是因為大家會看那個節目。

It's because you're hoping for a moment that will go viral, like the one that I'm about to show you.

而是因為你希望有一個能病毒式傳播的瞬間，就像我等一下要給你看的那個。

What you're going to show me, because when I saw it, I was like, and

你要給我看的，因為我看到的時候，我整個傻住，然後

I'm sure you've watched it a hundred times and we'll enjoy watching it again, is bottom jokes.

我確定你已經看了一百次了，我們也會很開心地再看一次，那就是 bottom jokes。

I miss the days when straight people did not know what that meant.

我懷念以前異性戀者不知道那是什麼意思的日子。

All right, so here we've got Hudson Williams on Jimmy Fallon.

好的，這裡我們看到 Hudson Williams 在 Jimmy Fallon 的節目上。

The man is on all fours, forearms on the ground.

那個人四肢著地，前臂撐在地上。

So imagine you're getting on all fours before James Fallon.

所以想像一下，你在 James Fallon 面前四肢著地。

But the point is, so many thousands, millions of people who would never watch Jimmy Fallon are watching this moment in their Instagram.

但重點是，有成千上萬、數百萬根本不會看 Jimmy Fallon 節目的人，正在透過他們的 Instagram 看著這一刻。

That might be the only clip I've seen of Fallon in weeks.

這可能是我這幾週看過唯一一個 Fallon 的片段。

所以，這就是我對這件事如此著迷的原因。

When it comes to meeting your breakout moment, there are lots of different ways to handle it.

說到迎接你的爆紅時刻，有很多不同的應對方式。

And if I look back at someone like Harris Dickinson, who was in Baby Girl with Nicole Kidman, that that was another, like, hyper sexualized part.

如果我回頭看像 Harris Dickinson 這樣的人，他跟 Nicole Kidman 一起演了《Baby Girl》，那又是另一個，你知道，充滿性暗示的角色。

And that was a moment where I heard him on a podcast and he was.

而那時候我聽他在一個 podcast 上講，他說。

I think it was called the Happy, Sad, Confused podcast.

我記得那時候叫做 Happy, Sad, Confused podcast。

And he was like, I'm uncomfortable with the way women speak to me in public.

他說，我不習慣女生在公開場合跟我講話的方式。

I'm uncomfortable with the kinds of things that have been said.

我對於那些被說出來的話感到很不自在。

He does not engage in the social media game, and

他沒有參與社群媒體的遊戲，而且

he's sort of quietly gone on to make a movie that is very successful at Cannes.

他默默地拍了一部在坎城影展非常成功的電影。

It doesn't feel like they are paving the road for a serious career.

感覺他們並沒有為認真的演藝事業鋪路。

They are feeling suddenly, from one day to the next, I can't go to Trader Joe's.

他們突然感覺，從一天到隔天，我不能去 Trader Joe's 了。

The fandom is so wildly intense in such a short time.

粉絲們在這麼短的時間內就變得如此狂熱。

A friend of mine was telling me she waited in an online queue to buy a ticket to.

我一個朋友跟我說，她排了線上隊伍才買到一張票。

To the heated Rivalry Club night that was coming to Washington, D.C.

要去看即將在華盛頓特區舉行的激烈競爭俱樂部之夜。

which sold out so quickly that they had to make it four nights in D.C.

結果票賣得太快了，他們不得不在華盛頓加開四場。

it is the 9:30 club, but this has been happening all over the country.

那是 9:30 俱樂部，但這種情況在全國各地都發生了。

And We've got a TikTok showing the LA party where a fan edit is playing on screen.

我們還有一個 TikTok 影片，展示了洛杉磯的派對，螢幕上播放著粉絲剪輯的影片。

And then you have this club music in the background.

然後背景裡還有這種俱樂部音樂。

Thousands of what looks like mostly young women.

成千上萬，看起來大多是年輕女性。

Jumping up and down while on the screen you see Ilya and Shane going at it.

跳上跳下，螢幕上則看到 Ilya 和 Shane 正在較勁。

When I think about the rocket ship to celebrity that these two guys are on, I think of there was a recent profile of Jennifer Lawrence in the New Yorker.

當我想到這兩個人登上名人火箭時，我想到最近《紐約客》對珍妮佛·勞倫斯的一篇報導。

And you have Jennifer Lawrence now at this stage, a couple decades into her career, and

而珍妮佛·勞倫斯，在她職業生涯進入幾十年後的現在，

she was looking back on her early press tours sort of affectionately but slightly cringingly.

她回顧自己早期的宣傳行程，帶著些許溫情，但也有些許尷尬。

Which is actually the definition of it culturally.