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  • can we just speak on lightning network and then might as well talk about the Bitcoin maximalist while we're at it.

    我們能不能只談閃電網絡,然後不妨趁機談談比特幣的極簡主義。

  • Um I had max Keiser on this show in 2013.

    嗯,我在2013年讓麥克斯-凱澤上了這個節目。

  • Uh telling me about Bitcoin, I just bought one for £85 and um we were talking about all sorts of things, but he is a maximalist.

    呃,告訴我關於比特幣的事情,我剛剛花85英鎊買了一個,呃,我們在談論各種各樣的事情,但他是一個極簡主義者。

  • His name is max as well and he's gone all in on this and all the maximums, tell me that lightning is gonna replace everything, all of the smart contracts, all that stuff.

    他的名字也叫max,他在這個問題上全力以赴,所有的max,告訴我閃電會取代一切,所有的智能合約,所有的東西。

  • Can you just address if the writer if they're wrong?

    你能不能解決如果作者如果他們是錯的?

  • Also, just the concept of Bitcoin maximalist um I think you've even go so far to say that Bitcoin might not even be around in 10 years and that's okay, So tell me what you think.

    另外,只是比特幣最大的概念,嗯,我想你甚至還說,比特幣可能在10年內都不存在了,那也沒關係,所以告訴我你的想法。

  • Okay, so first of all, I think the maximalist thesis that there will be only one coin has been disproven in every single fashion imaginable.

    好吧,首先,我認為 "只會有一個硬幣 "的最大主義論點已經以各種可以想象的方式被推翻了。

  • We have 8000 coins.

    我們有8000枚硬幣。

  • They operate, they're not going to die, even the dead ones failed to die.

    他們操作,他們不會死,甚至死了的人也沒能死。

  • Right, ethereum classic is still around and I could name a bunch of other coins.

    對了,以太坊經典還在,我還能說出一堆其他的幣。

  • Um they just kind of flounder around, They don't go away.

    嗯,他們只是在周圍徘徊,他們沒有消失。

  • So it's not going to be the case that that there will be one point.

    是以,不會有這樣的情況,即會有一個點。

  • So that whole maximalist thesis at its core is flawed.

    是以,整個最大限度的理論在其核心上是有缺陷的。

  • That's all I need to say.

    這就是我需要說的一切。

  • I don't need to actually go into any other details about anything else is going to be around.

    我不需要實際去了解任何其他細節,關於任何其他東西都會在身邊。

  • Is it not gonna be around, I don't know, maybe it will be around, I hope it will be around after a few more have innings.

    是不是不會再有了,我不知道,也許會有,我希望再有幾局後會有。

  • It's gonna going to be a little tough to keep the ethereum.

    要保住以太坊,會有點困難。

  • The security budget diminishes over time.

    安全預算隨著時間的推移而減少。

  • So as a security budget diminishes, it's gonna be hard to keep that system going.

    是以,隨著安全預算的減少,將很難保持該系統的運作。

  • So, you know, after two or three have earnings, it's going to be a different story, but you know, it might be, who knows?

    所以,你知道,在兩三個人有了收入之後,會是一個不同的故事,但你知道,可能是,誰知道?

  • But but the core thesis is wrong and these coins do different things what maximalist fail to understand.

    但是,但核心論點是錯誤的,這些硬幣所做的事情是不同的,這也是最大化主義者未能理解的。

  • They're kind of like those people, you know, like your uncle and uh you know, you figured out how computers are, but then he stopped as soon as he figured out Excel and he doesn't really understand the mirror.

    他們有點像那些人,你知道,就像你的叔叔和呃你知道,你想出了計算機是如何,但後來他一想出Excel就停止了,他並不真正理解鏡子。

  • The other things that computers could do for him.

    計算機可以為他做的其他事情。

  • So it's kind of, they're kind of like that they discovered a new something brand new, something amazing, something really wonderful.

    所以這有點,他們有點像他們發現了一個全新的東西,令人驚奇的東西,真正美妙的東西。

  • They got a glimpse of it and then they shot their head minds down.

    他們瞥見了這一點,然後就把他們的腦袋拍下來了。

  • They decided, okay, this is enough, we don't need anything else.

    他們決定,好吧,這就夠了,我們不需要其他東西。

  • And now I'm going to go on that when the crusade against everything else that's trying to innovate, that's not a good approach to life.

    而現在我要繼續說,當討伐其他一切試圖創新的人,這不是一個好的生活方式。

  • I find that really uh really confining and I would hope that they would sort of stick their heads out of out of the sand.

    我發現這真的很侷限,我希望他們能把頭從沙子中伸出來。

  • Look around defi is such an exciting space.

    環顧四周,defi是一個如此令人興奮的空間。

  • And anybody who was a maximalist, you know, it's there on a very slow path.

    而任何一個曾是最大主義者的人,你知道,它是在一個非常緩慢的道路上存在。

  • Um Yeah they're coin is going up that's wonderful.

    是的,他們的硬幣在上漲,這很好。

  • But the other coins are going up far more.

    但其他硬幣的漲幅要大得多。

  • They have far more upside potential.

    他們有更大的上升潛力。

  • They have put many more uses.

    他們把更多的用途。

  • They bring solutions to people that need solutions, they bring solutions uh that reimagine how finances done.

    他們為需要解決方案的人帶來了解決方案,他們帶來了解決方案,呃,重新想象如何完成財務。

  • It's a very different universe.

    這是一個非常不同的宇宙。

  • So You know, that's all I have to say about them.

    所以你知道,這就是我對他們要說的全部。

  • Lightning is a fine technology.

    閃電是一種優良的技術。

  • Um layer twos for Bitcoin are sorely needed because layer one for Bitcoin is so slow, you cannot use it for payments in any in any reasonable timeframe.

    比特幣的第二層是非常需要的,因為比特幣的第一層太慢了,你無法在任何合理的時間範圍內使用它進行支付。

  • And I wish lightning much success.

    我祝願閃電取得更大的成功。

  • I've been holding my breath and uh I hear another 18 months we'll make lightning highly usable.

    我一直屏住呼吸,呃,我聽說再過18個月,我們將使閃電高度可用。

  • So I will wait another 18 months.

    所以我將再等18個月。

  • I've been waiting 18 months for about 34 years now.

    我已經等了18個月,現在已經等了大約34年。

  • Uh huh.

    嗯哼。

can we just speak on lightning network and then might as well talk about the Bitcoin maximalist while we're at it.

我們能不能只談閃電網絡,然後不妨趁機談談比特幣的極簡主義。

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比特幣極端主義者不理解的是什麼?Emin Gün Sirer on Max Keiser & Co. (WHAT BITCOIN MAXIMALISTS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND ? Emin Gün Sirer on Max Keiser & Co.)

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