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  • you mentioned regulation, let's talk about it.

    你提到了監管,讓我們來談談這個問題。

  • And by the way, in the past you've said quote everyone in this business wants to have clarity.

    順便說一下,在過去你曾說過一句話,在這個行業裡每個人都希望有清晰的思路。

  • Just to start with that, you know, we've recently been watching what Gary Gensler is doing at the sec specifically.

    就從這一點開始吧,你知道,我們最近一直在關注加里-詹斯勒在秒速快三精準人工計劃的工作。

  • Probably in relation to coin based since they seem to be the ones right now that are getting a lot of the attention.

    可能是與硬幣有關,因為它們似乎是現在得到很多關注的。

  • Uh strangely enough, I'm actually watching a course at the M.

    呃,奇怪的是,我實際上是在看M的一個課程。

  • I.

    I.

  • T.

    T.

  • Sloan School of management that Gary taught on Blockchain back in 2018.

    斯隆管理學院,加里早在2018年就講授了區塊鏈的知識。

  • He's very intelligent, he's very articulate.

    他非常聰明,非常善於表達。

  • It doesn't seem to have any problems with that.

    它似乎沒有任何問題。

  • And so it's interesting to see that Gary versus the one that we hear about in this crypto spaces.

    是以,看到加里與我們在這個加密貨幣空間聽到的那個人相比,是很有趣的。

  • But just to be clear, it seems that you know, the sec threatened successfully to stop coin base from offering a lending product.

    但只是為了明確,似乎你知道,證券委員會成功地威脅要阻止幣基提供貸款產品。

  • I think they were gonna offer 4% on the stable coins.

    我認為他們打算為穩定的硬幣提供4%的收益。

  • And coin base has stopped and yet, brian armstrong.

    而幣基已經停止,然而,布萊恩-阿姆斯特朗。

  • When he went to Washington, D.

    當他去到華盛頓特區的時候。

  • C.

    C.

  • Could not get a meeting with the sec.

    無法與祕書會面。

  • I know you have had a few issues maybe New Jersey in new york, you know, making some statements to you but you have been offering these protocols and continue to offer these lending protocols.

    我知道你有一些問題,也許新澤西州在紐約,你知道,向你做了一些陳述,但你一直在提供這些協議,並繼續提供這些貸款協議。

  • So what is happening here?

    那麼,這裡發生了什麼?

  • Maybe you know above board?

    也許你知道在董事會之上?

  • And how do you read between the lines?

    那你是如何讀懂字裡行間的呢?

  • What what do you see?

    你看到什麼了?

  • That's a great question and I can tell you that it's not just regulators are baffled by these high rates.

    這是一個很好的問題,我可以告訴你,不僅僅是監管機構對這些高利率感到困惑。

  • I mean my own friends have said to me Alex 8.8% must be a scam.

    我的意思是我自己的朋友對我說亞歷克斯8.8%一定是個騙局。

  • If you, if you were offering 3 to 4% I might actually put some money with you, but 8.8% come on.

    如果你,如果你提供3到4%,我可能真的把一些錢放在你那裡,但8.8%,來吧。

  • You know, so again, we don't dictate the rates.

    你知道,所以再說一遍,我們不支配利率。

  • The market dictates the rates, right?

    市場決定利率,對嗎?

  • If the velocity goes down, the yield would probably go down if more money comes in, the building code come down.

    如果速度下降,收益率可能會下降,如果有更多的錢進來,建築規範會下降。

  • So I think regulators are doing exactly the same thing.

    所以我認為監管機構正在做完全相同的事情。

  • They're surprised.

    他們很驚訝。

  • They know they want to know what's happening there.

    他們知道他們想知道那裡正在發生什麼。

  • Like, hey, you're operating in my state, you offering this to my people.

    比如說,嘿,你在我的州里經營,你向我的人民提供這個。

  • I want to know all the details and we have no problem sharing it.

    我想知道所有的細節,我們分享這些細節是沒有問題的。

  • Like I said, if we, if we have proof of community and we're sharing it with billions of people, You don't even have to be a Celsius customer to access the data.

    就像我說的,如果我們,如果我們有社區的證明,並且我們與數十億人分享它,你甚至不需要成為Celsius的客戶來訪問數據。

  • You could be a reporter going into in pulling the data, doing your own analysis and coming up with basically the confirmation or here I found a mistake.

    你可以是一個記者,進入拉動數據,做你自己的分析,並得出基本上確認或在這裡我發現了一個錯誤。

  • We invited everybody on the planet to come and show to us that we're doing something wrong or we're not doing everything in the best interests of the customers.

    我們邀請地球上的每個人都來向我們表明,我們做錯了什麼,或者我們沒有為客戶的最佳利益做一切。

  • So, so if that's really what we're doing, then the regulators should have zero problem with not just uh, enabling this service, but also basically saying to everybody, hey, here is a good choice and here is a bad choice.

    所以,所以如果這真的是我們正在做的事情,那麼監管機構應該有零問題,不僅僅是呃,啟用這項服務,而且基本上對每個人說,嘿,這裡是一個好的選擇,這裡是一個壞的選擇。

  • This is broccoli and this is processed food or whatever the choices are.

    這是西蘭花,這是加工食品或任何選擇。

  • So, so I think, um, you know, our mission in life is do good, then do well.

    所以,所以我認為,嗯,你知道,我們的人生使命是做好事,然後做好人。

  • And, and I think we've been doing a lot of good and I hope that regulators are all around the world are gonna recognize that.

    而且,我認為我們已經做了很多好事,我希望全世界的監管者都能認識到這一點。

  • Is it only a matter of time before the sec makes similar statements to you, since you are offering the protocol, they told coin based?

    既然你提供了協議,他們告訴硬幣的基礎上,證券公司對你做出類似的聲明,這只是一個時間問題嗎?

  • Not too well.

    不太好。

  • I don't think that that's what happened between, uh, coin based on the sec.

    我不認為那是發生在,呃,硬幣的基礎上的秒。

  • I think there's much more to it.

    我認為這裡面還有很多東西。

  • You don't get a wells notice for something you're planning to do right.

    你不會因為你計劃要做的事情而得到一個歡迎的通知。

  • Uh, when the government threatens to sue you, you must have done something already.

    呃,當政府威脅要起訴你時,你肯定已經做了什麼。

  • So I, again, I don't know the details.

    所以我,再次,我不知道細節。

  • I'm just uh, looking at it from afar, but we'll find out the details pretty soon.

    我只是呃,從遠處看,但我們很快就會發現細節。

  • And you know, I don't, I don't think that.

    而你知道,我不,我不認為如此。

  • I think, look, the sec obviously is suing X.

    我認為,看,證券公司顯然在起訴X。

  • RP there.

    RP在那裡。

  • They have issued a cease and disease to other participants in the market.

    他們已經向市場上的其他參與者發出了停止和疾病。

  • So they already kind of showed several bad actors or people that they're kind of saying, hey, you shouldn't be doing this or that.

    所以他們已經展示了幾個壞演員或人,他們有點說,嘿,你不應該做這個或那個。

  • Now they need to show who's a good actor.

    現在他們需要展示誰是一個好演員。

  • I think they need to pick one or 2 good companies and say, okay, here is a bad example, Here's a good example.

    我認為他們需要挑選一兩個好的公司,然後說,好吧,這裡是一個壞的例子,這裡是一個好的例子。

  • So everybody knows what they need to do and, and and you know, that's what everybody's waiting for clarity on the regulatory side.

    是以,每個人都知道他們需要做什麼,而且你知道,這就是每個人都在等待監管方面的明確性。

  • And I think regulators worldwide are waiting for the sec to make that choice so they can also have a compatible regulation.

    我認為全世界的監管機構都在等待證券委員會做出這一選擇,以便他們也能有一個兼容的監管。

  • And if we have a global standard, just like we have a standard for the internet, I can tell you when I did voice of I.

    如果我們有一個全球標準,就像我們有一個互聯網的標準一樣,我可以告訴你,當我做了I的聲音。

  • P.

    P.

  • The phone companies weren't happy about it.

    電話公司對此並不高興。

  • Neither the american companies, the U.

    美國的公司,美國的公司都沒有。

  • K.

    K.

  • You know, Bt and cable and wireless.

    你知道,Bt和有線電視以及無線。

  • We're definitely not happy with me bringing voice of RP to the to England then.

    那我們肯定不滿意我把RP的聲音帶到英格蘭來。

  • And the regulators were called in And in most countries, the regulators have decided that this innovation, even though it's going to reduce the revenues for the phone companies by 90% because the services are free.

    在大多數國家,監管機構已經決定,這種創新,即使它將減少90%的電話公司的收入,因為服務是免費的。

  • This innovation is something that we need.

    這種創新是我們需要的。

  • It's the same thing here, this innovation, the Blockchain decentralization is something we need.

    這裡也是一樣的,這種創新,區塊鏈的去中心化是我們需要的東西。

  • And like you said, we have three systems, you know, communism, socialism, capitalism.

    就像你說的,我們有三種制度,你知道,共產主義、社會主義、資本主義。

  • I call this new system decentralized buddhism because we're effectively doing redistribution of wealth, but without the state or without some very rich guy peppering money on us.

    我稱這個新系統為去中心化的佛教,因為我們實際上是在做財富的再分配,但沒有國家,也沒有一些非常富有的人向我們撒錢。

  • It's from our own efforts, right?

    這是來自我們自己的努力,對嗎?

  • We are basically creating yield, creating income from our own efforts from the money we earned and worked so hard for and that's how it should be.

    我們基本上是在創造收益,從我們自己的努力中創造收入,而這些錢是我們辛辛苦苦賺來的,這就應該是這樣的。

  • Yeah, it's a great vision of the future.

    是的,這是對未來的一個偉大願景。

  • And just to finish up with regulation.

    而只是為了完成監管。

  • So I know you're in 100 and 70 countries worldwide.

    所以我知道你在全球100個和70個國家。

  • The 50 states in America you're okay to operate on some of those or do you have to put warnings or on anything on any of the citizens there currently for Celsius?

    美國的50個州,你可以在其中一些州進行操作,或者你必須在目前那裡的任何公民身上對攝氏度提出警告或什麼?

  • Yeah so we we are like for example new york state we are transitioning from one custodian to another during that period of time.

    是的,所以我們我們就像比如說紐約州,我們在這段時間內從一個保管人過渡到另一個保管人。

  • We're not taking new customers but in general we are available in all the states.

    我們不接受新客戶,但一般來說,我們在所有的州都可以使用。

  • And and uh there are some restrictions for example in texas the state of texas decided that stable coins are a currency just like the dollar and because of that you must have a bank charter.

    而且,呃,有一些限制,例如在德克薩斯州,德克薩斯州決定,穩定的硬幣是一種貨幣,就像美元一樣,正因為如此,你必須有一個銀行執照。

  • So we cannot for example offer uh U.

    是以,我們不能例如提供呃U。

  • S.

    S.

  • D.

    D.

  • C.

    C.

  • Yield on U.

    對U的收益率。

  • S.

    S.

  • D.

    D.

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    C.

  • In texas.

    在德克薩斯州。

  • So we block, we follow the regulation.

    是以,我們阻止,我們遵循法規。

  • You know we don't play games like in Japan you have to have a certain license, we don't have it, we don't offer our service in Japan.

    你知道我們不玩像日本那樣的遊戲,你必須有某種許可證,我們沒有,我們不在日本提供我們的服務。

  • So we've tried to be a good actor now for over four years and when we get that license we're gonna open the services.

    是以,我們現在已經努力做了四年多的好演員,當我們得到那個許可證時,我們就會開放服務。

  • You know so I don't see a conflict and we've we've said that since day one you know while other people were doing I.

    你知道,所以我看不出有什麼衝突,我們我們從第一天起就說了,你知道,當其他人在做我的時候。

  • C.

    C.

  • E.

    E.

  • O.

    O.

  • S.

    S.

  • And running uh crazy saying regulation does not apply to us Celsius filed a record deal with the sec back in 2017 or 2018.

    和運行呃瘋狂說監管不適用於我們Celsius早在2017年或2018年就向證券公司提交了一份記錄協議。

  • We filed with Vincent, we did, we we basically did everything we had to do with the I.

    我們向文森特提出申請,我們做了,我們我們基本上做了一切我們必須做的I。

  • R.

    R.

  • S.

    S.

  • So so all those things are are not in conflict with providing these services.

    是以,所有這些事情都與提供這些服務不相沖突。

  • You could be a good citizen and still do good and and there's nothing wrong with that.

    你可以做一個好公民,仍然做得很好,這沒有什麼錯。

  • So that's really my message to the crypto community is that the more actors and encrypted community defy or try to evade regulation, the longer we're going to have a problem instead of us dominating the industry because we're basically just making it hard for ourselves for no reason.

    是以,這真的是我給加密社區的資訊是,更多的行為者和加密社區藐視或試圖逃避監管,我們將有一個問題,而不是我們主導這個行業,因為我們基本上只是無緣無故地讓自己變得困難。

you mentioned regulation, let's talk about it.

你提到了監管,讓我們來談談這個問題。

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