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  • Politics in the us.

    美國的政治。

  • I mean I know you you know you you got a full dose of it obviously back in 17.

    我的意思是,我知道你,你知道你在17年的時候顯然得到了一個完整的劑量。

  • Do you watch it?

    你會看嗎?

  • Do you participate?

    你是否參加?

  • Do you stick to fund management these days?

    你這些天堅持做基金管理嗎?

  • Well listen, you know, obviously last time I saw you uh the general consensus among the elites was that mr trump is going to win reelection.

    好吧,聽著,你知道,顯然我上次見到你時,呃,精英們的普遍共識是,特朗普先生將贏得連任。

  • I went to Davos Switzerland a few weeks before I arrived in your offices in London and I would say the general consensus there was he was going to win reelection.

    在我到達你們倫敦辦公室的幾周前,我去了瑞士達沃斯,我想說那裡的普遍共識是他將贏得連任。

  • I said in Davos that he was going to lose.

    我在達沃斯說過,他將會失敗。

  • It was before the pandemic started in, the economy was quite robust.

    那是在大流行病開始之前,經濟是相當強勁的。

  • Uh and he lost.

    呃,他輸了。

  • I'm not patting myself on the back, I just could understand directly where he was going was classically anti american and there would be a majority of americans that would would vote him out of office.

    我不是在拍馬屁,我只是能直接理解他要去的地方是典型的反美國人,大多數美國人都會把他投下臺。

  • And by the way it's very tough to vote a sitting president out of office.

    順便說一句,把在任總統投票趕下臺是非常困難的。

  • And so you have to imagine how badly you've got to be doing to get knocked out.

    是以,你必須想象你必須做得多麼糟糕才能被擊倒。

  • Um And so the reason why I'm bringing all of this up is that we can never predict the future.

    嗯,所以我提出這些的原因是,我們永遠無法預測未來。

  • We don't know what what's going to happen, but donald trump represents something in politics.

    我們不知道會發生什麼,但唐納德-特朗普在政治上代表了一些東西。

  • The United States and that is a very stressed out group of people in the US.

    美國,而這是美國一個壓力非常大的群體。

  • We we've turned blue collar people and I grew up among them, my dad was a crane operator.

    我們我們已經變成了藍領人士,我在他們中間長大,我父親是一個起重機操作員。

  • We turned blue collar people who are once aspirational working class families into desperation.

    我們把那些曾經是有抱負的工人階級家庭的藍領人士變成了絕望。

  • All Working class families over 40 years.

    所有40年以上的工人階級家庭。

  • Some of that was our dollar devaluation, some of that was global exportation of manufacturing, some of that was just plain old competition that entered the marketplace after the war as other nations started to rebuild and rise.

    其中一些是我們的美元貶值,一些是製造業的全球出口,一些是戰後隨著其他國家開始重建和崛起進入市場的普通競爭。

  • But it hasn't been handled well by our political leaders.

    但我們的政治領導人並沒有很好地處理這個問題。

  • And so that would be an indictment of both parties.

    是以,這將是對兩黨的控訴。

  • And so for me, I got accidentally involved in politics.

    是以對我來說,我意外地捲入了政治。

  • I always saw myself as a Nachbar.

    我一直把自己看作是一個Nachbar。

  • I never had a calling for politics but I didn't really have a network when I came out of school.

    我從來沒有對政治的召喚,但我從學校出來後,也沒有真正的網絡。

  • And so I went into politics brian because it was an easy way to meet people that were influential.

    所以我進入了政治領域,因為這是一個認識有影響力的人的簡單方法。

  • I was raising money at that time for Rudy Giuliani and then George Pataki and mitt Romney and I started meeting people that we're helping with my business.

    當時我正在為魯迪-朱利安尼籌集資金,然後是喬治-帕塔基和米特-羅姆尼,我開始認識一些人,我們正在幫助我的生意。

  • I got in there accidentally because Mr trump on the election and then he persuaded me to go.

    我是偶然進去的,因為特朗普先生在選舉上,然後他勸說我去。

  • And as you know from our prior interview, I let my ego through a lot of the talking and I went um but that was the wrong thing for me to do and I obviously paid the price for that.

    正如你在我們之前的採訪中所知道的,我讓我的自我經歷了很多談話,我去了嗯,但那是我做的錯事,顯然我為此付出了代價。

  • Um so I'm back at work.

    嗯,所以我又開始工作了。

  • I signed with CNBC, I don't go on CNN anymore.

    我與CNBC簽約,我不再上CNN了。

  • Each other networks to talk politics.

    彼此的網絡談政治。

  • I'm basically out there talking about my business and talking about things I see as forces that are shaping the global economy, But we're up against it in the country, we've got 25% of the country that really believes Mr Trump and his big lie.

    我基本上是在外面談論我的業務,談論我認為是塑造全球經濟的力量的事情,但我們在國內的反對,我們有25%的國家真正相信特朗普先生和他的大謊言。

  • And you've got more than 25% of the country that doesn't want to get vaccinated and we can have that big scientific debate and all that nonsense that's out there.

    而你有超過25%的國家不願意接種疫苗,我們可以進行大的科學辯論和所有的廢話,在那裡。

  • And unfortunately, our adversaries like the Russians, are feeding the beast of social media with all of this weapon grades propaganda, which is having a very big negative impact On the West.

    不幸的是,我們的對手,如俄羅斯人,正在用所有這些武器等級的宣傳來餵養社交媒體的野獸,這對西方產生了非常大的負面影響。

  • Uh, they figured out Stalin said this about the United States in the 1930s and we'll break them.

    呃,他們發現斯大林在20世紀30年代這樣評價美國,我們就把他們打垮。

  • They're a group of multi multi verse, their tribal and ethnic, they're not bound together, we will break them.

    他們是一群多多益善的人,他們的部落和民族,他們沒有被束縛在一起,我們將打破他們。

  • And they used all of this propaganda KGB G R.

    而他們利用所有這些宣傳克格勃G R。

  • U style propaganda to see if they could break us.

    U型宣傳,看看他們是否能打破我們。

  • But, you know, these were immigrants uh generationally that they had left countries that they were doing well in and they fell in love with America and I with my grandparents and great grandparents.

    但是,你知道,這些人都是移民,呃,他們離開了他們做得很好的國家,他們愛上了美國,我和我的祖父母和曾祖父母都是如此。

  • They were they were very hard to break.

    他們是他們是很難打破的。

  • And then many of us went through the war.

    然後我們中的許多人經歷了戰爭。

  • My uncles, my dad, they were in the army, very hard to break that tide of the civic virtue, but now that civic virtues fraying and you've got this introduction of this social media which is really oddly making us more tribal, making us more siloed and the Russians and other adversaries are exploiting that to our peril.

    我的叔叔們,我的父親,他們都在軍隊裡,很難打破這種公民美德的潮流,但現在這種公民美德正在磨損,你已經有了這種社交媒體的引入,這真的很奇怪,使我們更加部落化,使我們更加孤立,俄羅斯人和其他對手正在利用這一點來危害我們。

  • And so if we don't find the right political leadership to help reunite us, I mean, the first name of the country is united.

    是以,如果我們沒有找到正確的政治上司來幫助我們統一,我的意思是,這個國家的第一個名字是統一的。

  • We gotta figure out a way to do that.

    我們得想出一個辦法來做這件事。

  • I think we've got some trouble ahead, so I'm gonna get you to talk about it, but I'm not talking about it as vociferously as I was a year ago because I thought mr trump was in extreme danger to the society.

    我認為我們前面有一些麻煩,所以我要讓你談談這個問題,但我不會像一年前那樣大肆談論這個問題,因為我認為特朗普先生對社會有極大的危險。

  • I had gotten wrong, my endorsement and my praise of him and my working with him and he proved otherwise, he proved incapable, incompetent, lacked presidential leadership, lacked executive management skills and was malevolent.

    我已經弄錯了,我對他的認可和讚揚以及我與他的合作,而他證明了這一點,他證明了無能,不稱職,缺乏總統的領導力,缺乏行政管理能力,而且是惡毒的。

  • He was really blowing racist dog whistles all over the country and uh you know, that's not the type of public service that we need?

    他真的在全國各地吹種族主義的口哨,呃,你知道,這不是我們需要的公共服務類型?

  • So I spoke very loudly about it, but I'm really just trying to stick to my knitting right now as a business person.

    所以我非常大聲地談論它,但我現在真的只是想堅持我的針織品,作為一個商人。

  • Yeah.

    是的。

  • You said about him, quote, everyone goes into the trump relationship, wood chipper.

    你說過他,引用一下,每個人都會進入特朗普的關係,木頭削。

  • You either come out on the other side with your dignity and your personal story intact or you're reformed as trump's compost and your fertilizer under his shoe.

    你要麼帶著你的尊嚴和你的個人故事從另一邊走出來,要麼就被改造成特朗普的肥料和他鞋下的肥料。

  • Um do you care to comment on that quote?

    嗯,你願意對這句話進行評論嗎?

  • And don't you think that it was still in that positive that you were there.

    而你不認為,它仍然是在那個積極的,你在那裡。

  • Well, I almost got divorced.

    嗯,我差點就離婚了。

  • Uh, my wife and I almost lost our relationship, thank God, we're able to patch it back up together.

    呃,我的妻子和我幾乎失去了我們的關係,感謝上帝,我們能夠一起把它補回來。

  • Um, I think part of it was humiliating, um, you know, I'm not gonna lie to you.

    嗯,我想一部分是羞辱,嗯,你知道,我不會對你撒謊。

  • You know, I mean, you get, if you're having a bad day brian, don't you think of my day on july 31st 2017, I'm bounced from the White House lit up by every late night comedian mocked on saturday night live.

    你知道,我的意思是,你得到了,如果你有一個糟糕的一天布萊恩,你不想想我在2017年7月31日的一天,我從白宮被每個深夜喜劇演員點燃了在週六夜生活中嘲笑。

  • My wife has filed for divorce on me.

    我的妻子已經向我提出離婚。

  • So I'm on the front page of the tabloids.

    所以我上了小報的頭版。

  • Um, that's a rough set of circumstances.

    嗯,這是個粗糙的環境。

  • Okay, So, but it did raise my notoriety.

    好吧,那麼,但它確實提高了我的聲望。

  • It raised my profile, I think I have mr trump to thank for my one million twitter followers.

    它提高了我的知名度,我想我要感謝特朗普先生,因為我有一百萬的微博粉絲。

  • And weirdly, uh, he put me in a position where I could provide advocacy for what I see is the american ideals and the democratic Spirit of America.

    奇怪的是,呃,他把我放在一個位置上,我可以為我看到的美國理想和美國的民主精神提供宣傳。

  • And I was able because of the sort of notoriety that I got as a result of that disastrous experience.

    我之所以能夠這樣做,是因為我由於那次災難性的經歷而得到的那種惡名。

  • I could be part of the story did defeat him.

    我可以成為故事的一部分,確實打敗了他。

  • Now we all know that study that he defeated himself was a narrow election by the way he only lost by 40,000 votes.

    現在我們都知道,他打敗自己的那項研究是一次狹義的選舉,他只輸了4萬票。

  • Um, and uh, his buddy Ron johnson said it better than anybody.

    呃,他的朋友羅恩-約翰遜說得比任何人都好。

  • They caught him off guard and he was on tape saying, well, obviously the election was legitimate and explained the math and the numbers and Wisconsin and it just plain Plainly that 50,000 people that voted for Senator Johnson that were Republicans did not vote for Mr.

    他們讓他措手不及,他在錄音中說,很明顯,選舉是合法的,並解釋了數學、數字和威斯康星州的情況,而且很明顯,有5萬名投票給約翰遜參議員的共和黨人並沒有投票給先生。

  • Trump and the result of that he lost Wisconsin.

    特朗普,其結果是,他失去了威斯康星州。

  • If I swayed one of those voters and I feel I did my patriotic duty.

    如果我動搖了其中一個選民,我覺得我盡了愛國的責任。

  • So yes, in some ways, yes, it did help me.

    是以,是的,在某些方面,是的,它確實幫助了我。

  • It raised my profile.

    它提高了我的知名度。

  • But in other ways, you know, my, my oldest son who went to stanford business school says, Dad, you're like killing me, You're killing my networking opportunities.

    但在其他方面,你知道,我的,我的大兒子去斯坦福大學的商學院說,爸爸,你就像殺了我,你殺了我的網絡機會。

  • The republicans hate you because you left trump.

    共和黨人恨你,因為你離開了特朗普。

  • The democrats will never accept you because you were with trump.

    民主黨人將永遠不會接受你,因為你和特朗普在一起。

  • You have killed my networking opportunities.

    你扼殺了我的網絡機會。

  • And I laugh.

    我也笑了。

  • I looked and I said, well, maybe I'm getting closer to the truth.

    我看了看,我說,好吧,也許我越來越接近真相了。

  • I think I think the number one thing for you and me and hopefully for our Children is authenticity.

    我認為我認為對你和我來說,以及希望對我們的孩子來說,最重要的是真實性。

  • You know, I just want to be a real person, Talk to people directly.

    你知道,我只是想成為一個真正的人,直接與人交談。

  • Uh, if I made a mistake, owned the mistake.

    呃,如果我犯了一個錯誤,就擁有這個錯誤。

  • Um, but also, uh, don't hold grudges and don't have a millstone of regret.

    嗯,但也要,嗯,不要記仇,不要有後悔的磨刀石。

  • I think that's the big lesson for London real listeners and viewers.

    我想這是對倫敦真正的聽眾和觀眾的重大教訓。

  • You can make mistakes born from ego and pride or just lack of competence.

    你可能會因為自負和驕傲而犯錯,或者只是缺乏能力。

  • So seriously different things can cause a mistake, but don't live in the past.

    如此嚴重的不同事情會導致錯誤,但不要生活在過去。

  • I don't wake up in the morning and kick myself in the pants because I did something stupid in the White house that got me fired.

    我不會因為在白宮裡做了什麼蠢事而被解僱,而在早晨醒來後踢自己的褲子。

  • I take that millstone of regret and I put it uh, on a table beside me and I go forward and I think about all the exciting things that can happen in life from here, but owning the mistake, I think does give you uh an advantage.

    我把那塊後悔的磨刀石放在我身邊的桌子上,然後我向前走,我想從這裡開始生活中可能發生的所有令人興奮的事情,但擁有錯誤,我認為確實給你呃一個優勢。

  • You know, when I was on Stephen Colbert's show, the late night community said, well, did you think you're gonna last a long time in the White House?

    你知道,當我參加斯蒂芬-科爾伯特的節目時,深夜社區說,好吧,你認為你會在白宮持續很長時間嗎?

  • I was like longer than a carton of milk in the refrigerator and they was gonna get blown out before the milk spoil.

    我覺得比冰箱裡的一盒牛奶還要長,他們會在牛奶變質之前被吹走的。

  • I think people admire that.

    我認為人們很欣賞這一點。

  • They admire the fact that you're able to be accountable, but also be self deprecating about it.

    他們欽佩你能夠負責任,但也能自我貶低的事實。

Politics in the us.

美國的政治。

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