I could not come and showcase the live show cases

我不能來展示現場展示的案例。

because I did not want to break my contract

因為我不想毀約

with the University of Superior, University

與蘇必利爾大學、大學

of Wisconsin at Superior, performing in their cafeteria.

威斯康星州蘇必利爾分校，在他們的食堂表演。

I'm like, guess these non-traditional students

我很喜歡，猜測這些非傳統的學生。

are getting my Conan showcase set tonight.

今晚我的柯南展示集。

So, so I appreciate you keeping up with me.

所以，所以我很感激你跟上我的腳步。

(upbeat music)

(歡快的音樂)

[J.P.] A lot of work goes into a short,

[J. P. ]很多工作都要在短篇裡進行。

late night, stand up set.

深夜，站立的套路。

Join me, J.P. Buck, as I spotlight the comedians

加入我，J. P. 巴克，我將聚焦喜劇演員。

who came up with some of my favorite Conan sets.

誰想出了一些我最喜歡的柯南套裝。

This is, The Setup.

這就是，The Setup。

[Conan] Please welcome, the very funny Mary Mack.

請歡迎，非常有趣的瑪麗-麥克。

I'm trying to remember when you and I first met,

我在努力回憶你和我第一次見面的時間。

like I feel like, if I go back I feel like

就像我覺得，如果我回去，我覺得像。

my mind was erased at some point

恍然大悟

because I feel like you've always been

因為我覺得你一直是

in my comedy world.

在我的喜劇世界裡。

Yes, yeah.

是的，是的。

Like, I can't remember a time when

就像，我不記得有一次，當

I didn't know you as a comic.

我不知道你是個漫畫家。

Somebody recommended me for Andy Kaufman,

有人給我推薦了安迪・考夫曼

Andy Kaufman awards in, um, that year was

安迪考夫曼獎在，嗯，那一年是

at the HBO comedy festival in Vegas that year.

在當年拉斯維加斯的HBO喜劇節上。

The Andy Kaufman awards were established

安迪-考夫曼獎的設立

by Andy's family years ago.

由安迪的家人多年前。

And to try and recognize people

並試圖認識人們

that maybe the mainstream was ignoring.

也許是主流社會所忽略的。

And what was great is the show that I got to

而最棒的是這個節目，我得到了。

produce was hosted, and we got co-hosts Reggie Watts

製作主持，我們得到了共同主持人雷吉-沃茨，

and Kristen Schaal hosted the show.

和克里斯汀-沙爾主持的節目。

And I remember so many people afterwards came back

我還記得後來有很多人回來了

and were just telling me about how great you were.

並告訴我你有多偉大。

I remember the first comment I ever saw of yours about me

我還記得我第一次看到你對我的評價

was, she's interesting (laughing)

是，她的有趣（笑）。

Whoa, yeah, encourage me no further.

哇，是啊，鼓勵我不要再繼續了。

Like I was like, that's the best comment I ever got.

就像我一樣，這是最好的評論，我曾經得到。

All anybody ever said was, they'll never get it.

所有的人都說，他們永遠不會得到它。

You won't fit, I'm like, that's strange.

你會不適合，我想，這很奇怪。

They say people will never get it because

他們說，人們永遠不會明白，因為

I've done shows in all the States

我在全美各地都做過表演

and seems like we all have a pretty good time.

而且似乎我們都有一個相當不錯的時間。

(upbeat music)

(歡快的音樂)

Back then, submissions where, I had a lot

當時，提交的地方，我有很多。

of submissions through VHS tapes.

通過VHS錄音帶提交的材料的比例。

I think that's what my first, the first things you said

我想這是我的第一，你說的第一件事。

to me, I think were on VHS.

對我來說，我認為是在VHS上。

After VHS it transitioned over to DVD

在VHS之後，它過渡到DVD

and that became a lot easier to keep.

而這也變得容易保持了很多。

Yeah.

是啊。

So I have, this is book three of a library of DVD

所以，我有，這是第三冊的DVD庫。

submissions I got,

我得到的提交。

I've actually looked, there's, there's the first person

其實我看了，有，有第一人稱。

in this book.

在這本書中。

It's the M book starts with Mary Mack and there are four.

是M書從Mary Mack開始，有四個。

And then there are like, there are 12.

然後有喜歡，有12。

Now total.

現在總。

12! You can never throw those out

12!你永遠不能把這些東西扔掉

cause I don't have copies, I don't have copies.

因為我沒有副本，我沒有副本。

Boy, I'm surprised I didn't send you like reel

孩子，我很驚訝，我沒有送你像卷軸

to reel or cassette tapes or Beta.

到卷帶或卡帶或貝塔。

Okay, but thanks for keeping those.

好吧，不過謝謝你把這些東西留著。

So we met 2007, you weren't on the show until 2016.

所以我們2007年就認識了，你是2016年才上的節目。

You sent me an email and apologized

你給我發了封郵件，向我道歉

The 8 years that you were busy.

忙的那8年。

You noted in here, you say the jokes

你在這裡注意到了，你說的笑話。

in the following set had been tried

在以下一組中，已經嘗試過

out in 34 of the United States, Canada and Mexico

在美國、加拿大和墨西哥的34個國家中，有34個國家發生了火災。

and seemed to hit in all the places.

並且似乎打在了所有的地方。

I know, I do my own scientific experiments,

我知道，我自己做科學實驗。

like I don't feel good about a joke going on TV.

就像我不覺得好 一個笑話去電視上。

I feel like I need to try it in at least 11 States.

我覺得我至少要在11個州試一試。

Like that's my minimum States.

就像那是我的最低限度國家。

I need to know because it's a thing cause I grew up

我需要知道，因為這是一個東西，因為我長大了。

as a kid in very sheltered area.

作為一個孩子在非常庇護的地區。

So even still some of my words aren't the right words

所以，即使如此，我的一些話還是不對頭的

that people in other States understand.

其他國家的人能夠理解的。

So I have to do all these like trial and error.

所以我必須像試錯一樣做這些。

Like I keep little logs, but that's what comedy is.

就像我保持小日誌，但這就是喜劇。

It's just this experiment.

只是這個實驗。

And then, you know, yeah, it's interesting.

然後，你知道，是的，這很有趣。

(upbeat music)

(歡快的音樂)

You know, how I warmed up to do it was we went down

你知道，我是如何熱身做它是我們去了下來。

and we were doing nine shows at the Clay County Fair

我們在克萊縣集市上做了九場演出。

in Spencer, Iowa, which is the largest County Fair,

在愛荷華州的斯賓塞，這是最大的縣級博覽會。

I'm sorry, sorry to brag everybody,

對不起，對不起，向大家吹牛了。

but the largest County Fair in the Country, J.P.

但全國最大的縣級博覽會，J.P。

Really!

真的！

Yup. Yup. So I do three days

是啊，是啊。是啊，是啊。所以我做了三天

and I do three shows a day and clean to farmers

我一天做三場演出，給農民打掃衛生。

and the lion trainer from, there's tigers next door

和獅子訓練師從，有老虎隔壁。

to me all the time.

對我來說，所有的時間。

I have to always be more entertaining than tigers.

我總要比老虎更有娛樂性。

Otherwise nobody's going to come.

否則就沒人來了。

That's a lot of pressure.

這是一個很大的壓力。

So I did my Conan set up top, every show, for nine show,

所以我在上面做了我的柯南套路，每期節目，九期節目。

three shows a day, three, three days, nine shows.

一天三場，三，三天九場。

And for the first five minutes of every show,

而在每場演出的前五分鐘。

I got complete silence to that set.

我對這一套完全沉默了。

And I was like, I think it's good.

我當時想，我認為這是很好的。

Cause I was like, I think that if they don't like it,

因為我當時想，我認為，如果他們不喜歡它，

it's probably going to be good.

它可能會是好的。

So, (laughing) That was like my rationale.

所以，（笑）這就像是我的理由。

That's the good, those are the real people.

這才是好的，那些才是真正的人。

Right? So like if I do some jokes in a

對不對？所以，像如果我做一些笑話，在一個

a room of just comics and they like them,

一個房間的漫畫，他們喜歡他們。

I'm not going to do those jokes on TV, most likely

我不會在電視上講那些笑話，很可能是

or even in a, like at a corporate or venue, I'm like, Oh

甚至在一個，像在一個企業或場地，我想，哦

all the comics like these then I don't think it's okay.

所有的漫畫都是這樣的，那麼我認為這是不可以的。

Because you're not playing to the real people.

因為你沒有玩到真人。

You're just playing to the other scientists.

你只是在玩弄其他科學家。

And so I got to get those real people in there.

所以我必須讓那些真正的人在那裡。

(upbeat music)

(歡快的音樂)

Uh, so excited to be here.

呃，很興奮能來這裡。

I have two degrees in clarinet so, that's why I do comedy.

我有兩個單簧管學位，所以，這就是為什麼我做喜劇。

Ah, clarinet never came in handy

啊，單簧管從來沒有派上用場

for anything unless maybe like you're driving

任何事情，除非也許像你開車

and then you hit a deer and you don't have a crowbar

然後你打鹿，你沒有一個撬棍。

in your trunk to put it out of its misery.

在你的後備箱裡，把它從痛苦中解脫出來。

Yup. Yeah.

是的。是的，是的

Last time I hit a deer, I had my clarinet with me

上次我撞到了一隻鹿，我帶著我的單簧管。

and I only got through like two songs

我只得到了通過像兩首歌

and he was out.

他就出來了。

I think that was a good way to start it out.

我覺得這是一個好的開始。

Just tell us a little bit about ya and then

告訴我們一些關於你的事，然後... ...

and then your humor is there.

然後你的幽默感就在那裡。

Cause it's dry and yeah, it was, I liked,

因為它的乾燥，是的，它是，我喜歡。

I still that's one of the jokes they still use.

我還是那句話，他們還在用的一個笑話。

(upbeat music)

(歡快的音樂)

You have your own sort of way of talking.

你有你自己的說話方式。

You have your, you have, you know, you've

你有你的，你有，你知道，你有

you've got an accent and it's like,

你有一個口音，它像，

What accent J.P.?

J. P. 什麼口音？

I think I just tried to be as much me as possible.

我想我只是想盡可能的做一個我。

And I just kind of like after years of like places saying,

我只是有點像經過多年的喜歡的地方說，

can you, can you work on your O's?

你可以，你可以工作 在你的O的？

No. So, I mean, just like after years of rejection

不，所以，我的意思是，就像經過多年的拒絕

you just have to accept yourself.

你只需要接受自己。

The farther along I got in comedy, it was okay.

我在喜劇上越走越遠，還算可以。

I felt it was really okay.

我覺得真的還不錯。

Just to be honest about, you know

只是說實話，你知道

I talk a lot about the alcoholism in my family,

我經常說起家裡的酗酒問題。

growing up poor my own experiences with therapies

窮困潦倒，我自己的治療經驗

and stuff like that.

和類似的東西。

And, and all I can do is just be myself and

而我能做的只是做我自己和

and luckily it's a little bit entertaining at times.

而幸運的是，它有時還有點娛樂性。

I had a bad critique one time that said of some other show,

有一次我有一個不好的責備，說是別的節目。

it's the lady was like, "It's like she doesn't even know

它的女士是這樣的，"這就像她甚至不知道

what she's going to say next."

她接下來會說什麼。"

And I was like, that's the whole point!

我當時就想，這才是重點!

That's what I'm trying to go for!

這也是我努力的方向!

Well, she got it she just didn't realize she got it.

嗯，她得到了它，她只是沒有意識到她得到了它。

Yeah, She got it and hated it.

是的，她得到了它，並討厭它。

A lot of people don't know I have jokes because

很多人不知道我有笑話，因為...

they're just sentences, you know?

他們只是句子，你知道嗎？

And sometimes if you said a sentence and didn't really

有時如果你說了一句話，並沒有真正的

like ham it up on that sentence,

像火腿了這句話。

people wouldn't be aware that was a joke.

人們不會意識到這是一個笑話。

Like a lot of people don't believe in antidepressants,

就像很多人不相信抗抑鬱藥一樣。

but for a while my mom had taken them

但有一段時間，我媽媽把他們

and I felt great.

我感覺很好。

Um,um.

嗯，嗯。

Like if you say it like that, sometimes people would just

就像如果你這樣說，有時人們就會。

be like, Oh, that's not very nice, but you know

是這樣的，哦，這不是很好，但你知道的

it's a comedy set.

這是一個喜劇集。

They're ready for comedy.

他們已經準備好了喜劇。

So, so they get it at night and I hammed it up enough.

所以，所以他們晚上得到它，我把它錘得夠嗆。

(upbeat music)

(歡快的音樂)

And then, Ah, your cute,

然後，啊，你的可愛。

That was the worst applause break ever on this show.

這是這個節目有史以來最糟糕的掌聲休息。

(applause)

(掌聲)

Tall, tall drink of water over there. Huh? (applause)

高高的喝著那邊的水。咦？(掌聲)

Andy Richter. (laughing)

安迪-裡希特。（笑）

You can tell Conan loved the idea that you were

你可以告訴柯南喜歡你的想法，你是

doing a little bit of like pulling him closer

做一點點像拉他更接近

and then hitting, you know, knocking them down.

然後打，你知道，敲他們下來。

with that tall drink of water.

與那高高的喝水。

And he just goes, he was just like, yes yes.

他只是去，他只是喜歡，是的是的。

And you know Andy Richter.

你也知道安迪-裡希特。

In a situation like that where people

在這樣的情況下，人們

were like, is it okay to clap?

都喜歡，是好的鼓掌？

We don't know if we should laugh or clap or,

我們不知道是該笑還是該鼓掌還是。

And so I'm like, Oh no, that was weird.

所以我想，哦，不，這是奇怪的。

I got to put everybody on the same page again

我得讓大家再一次站在同一戰線上。

like I got to restart it

就像我得重新啟動它

so that people feel okay with whatever their response is.

以便大家覺得不管什麼反應都可以。

So, so then I just, I just acknowledge it anytime.

所以，所以後來我就，我就隨時承認了。

And even when I'm doing a live show I'm like, Oh man

甚至當我做一個現場表演，我想，哦，天啊！

I hope something weird happens.

我希望發生一些奇怪的事情。

So that even when I'm even, I know this was a live show

所以，即使我是偶數，我也知道這是一場現場表演。

but when I'm doing my regular club shows, I'm like

但當我做我的常規俱樂部的節目，我就像。

I hope something weird happens.

我希望發生一些奇怪的事情。

So we all have something to talk about.

所以我們都有話可說。

I've lost track of the applause breaks by the way.

對了，我已經記不清掌聲的時間了。

(upbeat music)

(歡快的音樂)

Well, let me leave you on some parting advice if I could.

好吧，如果可以的話，讓我給你一些臨別的建議。

Don't ever let people walk on you, okay.

千萬不要讓別人走在你身上，好嗎。

I got a, I got a new motto.

我有一個，我有一個新的座右銘。

(shouting) I am not the victim. You want to try it?

我不是受害者。你想試試嗎？

Yeah? Ready and I am not the victim.

是嗎？準備好了，我不是受害者。

I am the killer. (applause, laughing)

我是殺手。（掌聲，笑聲）

The tagline is you got to think positive or yeah,

標語是你要積極思考，否則就是耶。

cause you gotta think positive.

因為你要積極思考。

I didn't know how to put the tagline in there

我不知道怎麼把標語寫在裡面了

because they enjoyed the, I am the killer part.

因為他們喜歡 "我是殺手 "的部分。

So I was like, okay, I guess I'm done.

所以我當時就想，好吧，我想我完蛋了。

Yeah. Sometimes.

是啊，有時候。有時是的。

I mean, you make those audibles sometimes out there

我的意思是，你讓那些試音有時在那裡

and you're like, well, this is such a good reaction.

你就像，好了，這是這樣的一個良好的反應。

Why go out? and go after one more line

為什麼要出去，再去追一條線？

that may have diminishing returns.

可能會有越來越少的回報。

Yeah. Louie Anderson told me one time he ended

是啊，路易-安德森告訴我，有一次他結束了。路易-安德森告訴我，有一次他結束了

a set two jokes early because he knew

提前講了兩個笑話，因為他知道

he could never follow, those jokes would never follow

他永遠也聽不懂，那些笑話永遠也聽不懂。

the one that he did end on.

他最後的那個。

(upbeat music)

(歡快的音樂)

(applause)

(掌聲)

Great, fantastic, great job, hilarious

太好了，太棒了，幹得好，好熱鬧啊

Ah, you're great, Your space work is so good.

啊，你真厲害，你的空間作品真好。

Oh, thank you, I'm a mime yeah.

哦，謝謝你，我是一個啞劇是的。

Yeah, yeah.

是啊，是啊。

Mary Mack ladies and gentlemen, that's our show,

瑪麗-麥克 女士們先生們，這就是我們的節目。

good night everybody.

大家晚上好

He's just very talented

他只是很有天賦

and a smart guy and a gracious person.

而且是個聰明的人，也是個親切的人。

And I just needed him to know that he does a great job.

而我只需要他知道他做得很好。

I wanted to tell him right there

我想當場告訴他

you're doing such a great job.

你在做這樣一個偉大的工作。

And I needed to tell him, cause I was like

我需要告訴他，因為我就像...

I might never get to talk to him again.

我可能永遠不會再和他說話了。

He's got to know he's doing a good job.

他得知道自己做得很好。

That was really your moment there for him to tell you.

那真的是你在那裡讓他告訴你的時刻。

And I love that.

我喜歡這樣

It's so you to be like, no, no, no, no.

它是如此你要像，不，不，不，不。

I want to let you know how much I appreciate you.

我想讓你知道我是多麼感激你。

I'm amazed by Conan.

我被柯南驚呆了。

Like I, ever since the first time to do it

就像我，自從第一次做了之後

I've been bragging about him because he's amazing.