See, I'm not sure you knew that.

你看，我不確定你是否知道。

And if you don't know that, is it because of where he plays?

如果你不知道，是不是因為他在哪裡玩？

It's a fascinating question, and it's something Stephen A was talking about on his show on ESPN, plus Portland.

這是一個很吸引人的問題，這也是斯蒂芬-A在ESPN的節目中談到的問題，再加上波特蘭。

I'm sorry, I apologize, but I wish he was in another market.

對不起，我道歉，但我希望他在另一個市場。

It's not about you.

這不是你的問題。

You're a great fan base, great fan base.

你是一個偉大的粉絲，偉大的粉絲。

It's about us.

這是關於我們的。

It's about basketball fans outside of Portland, Oregon.

這是關於俄勒岡州波特蘭市以外的籃球迷。

We're being robbed two cm.

我們被搶了兩釐米。

Damian Lillard's brilliant every single night dame needs to be in a big market like my Knicks.

達米安-利拉德出色的每一個年夜夫需要在我尼克斯這樣的大市場。

He looked pretty good plan in prime time, all the time in front of celebrities every night.

他在黃金時段，每天晚上在名流面前都顯得很有計劃。

I'm just saying I'd be okay if he played anywhere, and he could get the appreciation that he richly deserves.

我只是說，如果他在任何地方打球，我都會好起來的，他可以得到他豐富應有的讚賞。

So that is a fascinating take from Stephen A.

所以，這是斯蒂芬-A的一個迷人的觀點。

Again, the question is two big stars in the NBA need big markets to go hand in hand my body.

問題又來了，NBA的兩個大明星需要大市場來攜手我的身體。

Jalen on his show.

Jalen在他的節目中。

Jalen and Jacoby strongly disagree.

杰倫和雅各比堅決不同意。

I'm sick of this era of people only trying to dumb down the accomplishments of these great players.

我受夠了這個時代的人只想淡化這些偉大球員的成就。

It's a re in County.

這是一個再在縣。

I like that.

我喜歡這樣

The Greek freak.

希臘怪胎。

Stay with the books.

留在書本上。

I like the dame.

我喜歡這位女士。

Stay with the Portland Trail Blazers.

留在波特蘭開拓者隊。

Put your anchor down like those guys have done.

像那些人一樣，把你的錨放下。

It's not stopping you in endorsements.

這並不妨礙你的代言。

Who gets more commercials today?

今天誰的廣告多？

Stop media members trying to make players like Bradley Bill think that their career is meaningless because the Washington Wizards will win the championship this year.

停止媒體成員試圖讓像布拉德利-比爾這樣的球員認為他們的職業生涯毫無意義，因為華盛頓奇才隊將在今年贏得總冠軍。

That's a really good take from jail and straight talk wireless.

監獄和直言無線的這句話真的很好。

No contract, no compromise.

沒有合同，沒有妥協。

So you've got two guys and they're very good friends.

所以你有兩個人，他們是很好的朋友。

To be clear, they disagree.

說白了，他們不同意。

But in case you wonder, this is they.

但如果你想知道，這就是他們。

Those two guys love each other, so the question is, Jalen is on one side, and Stephen A is as far away on the other as you can be.

這兩個傢伙相愛相殺，所以問題是，杰倫在一邊，斯蒂芬-A在另一邊，你有多遠就有多遠。

So how is it possible that they can both be right?

那麼他們怎麼可能都是對的呢？

I have always been on one side and said that if you don't want great stars in Portland, you don't want John Durant in Memphis.

我一直站在一邊說，如果你不想在波特蘭擁有偉大的明星，你就不要在孟菲斯擁有約翰-杜蘭特。

You don't want Zion Williamson in New Orleans, and you don't want the Greek freak in Milwaukee.

你不希望錫安-威廉姆森在新奧爾良，你也不希望希臘怪胎在密爾沃基。

Then why do we have teams there?

那為什麼我們在那裡有團隊？

Why are there teams in those places if we don't want them to be good?

如果我們不想讓那些地方的球隊好起來，為什麼會有這些地方的球隊？

That's what I mean by saying you're only as strong as your weakest link if you're if you have markets.

這就是我說的你只有最薄弱的環節，如果你是如果你有市場，你才會強大。

If you have cities, if you have franchises, if you have teams, if you have fan bases that are conditioned to believe, they're not supposed to contend that it is against the best interests of the sport for Milwaukee, New Orleans or in this case, Portland to be good.

如果你有城市，如果你有特許經營權，如果你有球隊，如果你有粉絲群，他們有條件相信，他們不應該爭辯說，密爾沃基，新奧爾良或在這種情況下，波特蘭是好的，這違反了這項運動的最佳利益。

Well, how does that work?

好吧，那是怎麼做的？

How can that possibly be right?

這怎麼可能是對的呢？

So I have been saying that forever.

所以我一直在說這句話。

And one of the reasons the NFL was so strong, let's say, for the sake of argument in the in the nineties with the early two thousands, is that their two biggest stars were Brett Farve and Peyton Manning by far, and those guys played in Green Bay in Indianapolis.

而NFL如此強大的原因之一，比方說，為了爭論，在九十年代與早期的兩千，是他們的兩個最大的明星是佈雷特-法夫和佩頓-曼寧到目前為止，這些傢伙在印第安納波利斯的綠灣打球。

So is the argument that if those were NBA stars would be better off with Brett Farve out of that little market that we need Peyton Manning to come to the Jets.

所以，如果那些是NBA球星的說法會更好，佈雷特-法夫出了那個小市場，我們需要佩頓-曼寧來噴氣機隊。

No one would ever say that in football, we say it in basketball.

在足球比賽中沒有人會這麼說，我們在籃球比賽中也會這麼說。

So on that level, I strongly disagree with Steve, and I strongly side with Jalen, but I kind of see the other side to like The NBA needs its stars more than any other league needs its stars to sell its product again.

所以在這個層面上，我非常不同意史蒂夫的觀點，我也堅決支持杰倫，但我算是看到了另一面，喜歡NBA比任何其他聯盟更需要它的球星來再次銷售它的產品。

I opened this show by giving you this stat.

我在節目開場時給了你這個數據。

Did you know that You know how good Damian Lillard is?

你知道你知道達米安-利拉德有多厲害嗎？

You know?

你知道嗎？

You know he's good.

你知道他很厲害

Did you know he was that good?

你知道他有那麼厲害嗎？

I'll say it again.

我再說一遍

Through nine years of his career, the only players in history and with more points and assists in history, then Damian Lillard are Larry Bird, LeBron James Bhaskar Robertson.

縱觀9年的職業生涯，歷史上得分和助攻都比達米安-利拉德多的球員，那麼只有拉里-伯德、勒布朗-詹姆斯-巴斯卡-羅伯特森。

He's an immortal is trending towards being an immortal.

他是仙人是趨勢是仙人。

He's on a a team that doesn't compete now.

他現在在一個沒有競爭的隊伍裡。

They made the West final a couple of years ago, but no one gave them any real chance to win.

幾年前他們進入了西部決賽，但沒有人給他們任何真正的贏球機會。

And b he's in a small market, a wonderful market.

而b他在一個小市場，一個美好的市場。

Now I'm old enough to remember the Portland Trail Blazers, with Bill Walton winning the championship in 1977.

現在我已經老了，還記得波特蘭開拓者隊，比爾-沃頓在1977年贏得了總冠軍。

And I remember when the Trail Blazers with Clyde the Glide and that team was playing the Bulls in the finals and No.

而我記得當開拓者隊與克萊德的滑翔，那支球隊在總決賽中與公牛隊交手，號。

One when Michael Jordan was making six threes against Portland.

一個是當邁克爾-喬丹在對陣波特蘭的比賽中投進6個三分球的時候。

No one was saying, Boy, you know what this series really needs is a bigger market going head to head with Jordan.

沒有人說，孩子，你知道這個系列真正需要的是一個更大的市場與喬丹正面交鋒。

I was there.

我在那裡。

I was the first Finals I ever covered.

我是第一個總決賽我曾經報道。

I'm telling you right now no one was complaining about it, but I sort of see it now.

我告訴你，現在沒人抱怨，但我現在算是明白了。

I see where the league is now, and I think there's something to be said for it.

我看到了聯盟現在的情況，我覺得有可圈可點之處。

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感謝您在YouTube上觀看ESPN的體育直播和優質內容。

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訂閱ESPN加。