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  • ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HELLO, AND WELCOME

    你好,歡迎你。

  • BACK.

    返回。

  • MY NEXT GUESTS ARE JOURNALISTS WHO HAVE BEEN COVERING NATIONAL

    我的下一位客人是一直在報道全國性事件的記者。

  • POLITICS FOR OVER A DECADE.

    十多年來的政治。

  • NOW THEY'RE CO-FOUNDERS OF "PUNCHBOWL NEWS" AND HOSTS OF

    現在他們是 "拳王新聞 "的創始人之一,也是 "拳王新聞 "的主持人。

  • "THE DAILY PUNCH" PODCAST.

    "每日快報 "PODCAST。

  • PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW," ANNA PALMER AND JAKE

    歡迎回到 "晚間秀",安娜-帕爾默和傑克。

  • SHERMAN.

    SHERMAN.

  • ANNA, JAKE, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

    安納,傑克,謝謝你來這裡。

  • >> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

    >> 謝謝你的邀請。

  • >> Stephen: BEFORE WE GET INTO ANYTHING ELSE, YOU BOTH REPORTED

    >> 史蒂芬:在我們進入任何事情之前,你都報告了

  • ON CONGRESS FOR OVER A DECADE.

    十多年來,在國會。

  • I WANT TO ASK YOU-- I'VE HEARD THAT'S KIND OF A CRAZY BEAT,

    我想問你... ... 我聽說那是一種瘋狂的節奏。

  • THAT THAT'S LIKE A SEVEN-DAYS-A WEEK, 365 DAYS A YEAR.

    這就像一個星期七天,一年三百六十五天。

  • YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY ALWAYS WORKING.

    你總是在工作。

  • IS THAT TRUE?

    是真的嗎?

  • >> IT IS, UNFORTUNATELY.

    >> 不幸的是,它是。

  • >> YES.

    >> 是。

  • >> Stephen: AND YOU-- AND YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY NO SOCIAL LIFE

    >> 史蒂芬: 而你 -- 而你根本就沒有社會生活。

  • OUTSIDE OF THE JOB BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU HAVE TIME TO GO OUT FOR

    在工作之外,因為每次你有時間出去玩的時候

  • DRINKS, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT WITH SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE A SOURCE

    飲料,你必須與一些人出去 誰可能是一個源頭。

  • FOR YOU ON CAPITOL HILL.

    為你在國會山。

  • IS THAT TRUE?

    是真的嗎?

  • >> IT'S NOT UNTRUE.

    >> 它不是不真實的。

  • ( LAUGHTER ) REPUBLICAN.

    (笑)共和黨人。

  • >> Stephen: YOU'RE NOT UNDER OATH.

    >> 你沒有宣誓。

  • IT'S OKAY.

    它的確定。

  • YOU CAN-- YOU CAN FUDGE IF YOU WANT.

    你可以... ... 如果你想的話,你可以糊弄。

  • IT'S ALL RIGHT.

    它的所有權利。

  • BUT THEN-- OKAY, SO, BUT, THEN, ALL YOUR FRIENDS ARE THE PEOPLE

    但是,然後... ... 好吧,所以,但是,然後,你所有的朋友都是人。

  • WHO ARE YOUR SOURCES, AND THEN YOU'RE THE PEOPLE WHO THEY WANT

    誰是你的來源,然後你就是他們想要的人。

  • TO PLANT, YOU KNOW, STORIES WITH.

    種植,你知道,故事與:

  • DO YOU GUYS EVER, LIKE, GET MAD-- DO YOUR FRIENDS ON CAPITOL

    你們有沒有,喜歡,生氣 - 做你的朋友在國會大廈

  • HILL EVER GET MAD AT YOU FOR WRITING ABOUT THEM?

    會不會因為你寫他們的事而生氣?

  • AND DO YOU EVER GET MAD AT THEM FOR PLANTING STORIES WITH YOU,

    你有沒有因為他們給你安插故事而生氣?

  • LIKE THIS MUTUAL SORT OF CODEPENDENCY?

    喜歡這種相互依賴的關係嗎?

  • >> WELL, I HAVE-- I HAVE A "NO FRIEND ZONE" ON CAPITOL HILL PB

    >> 好吧,我有 - 我有一個 "沒有朋友區 "在國會山PB

  • SO I TRY NOT TO BE FRIEND WITH ANYBODY WHO I WRITE ABOUT, WILL

    所以我儘量不和我寫的人做朋友,會的。

  • WRITE ABOUT, MIGHT WRITE ABOUT, OR MIGHT EVEN THINK ABOUT.

    寫一下,可能寫一下,或者甚至可能想一下。

  • SO IT'S A GOOD RULE-- IT'S A GOOD RULE OF THUMB WHEN YOU'RE

    所以這是一個很好的規則 -- 這是一個很好的規則,當你是一個好的拇指。

  • COVERING CONGRESS.

    報道國會:

  • >> Stephen: ANNA, DO YOU HAVE A "NO FRIEND ZONE."

    >> 安納,你有一個 "沒有朋友區 "嗎?

  • >> NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

    >> 不,我不知道他在說什麼。

  • I THINK OUR JOB IS CHARM, DISARM, GET PEOPLE TO TELL YOU

    我想我們的工作就是吸引人,解除武裝,讓人們告訴你。

  • INFORMATION THAT COULD GET THEM FIRED.

    可能讓他們被解僱的資訊。

  • ( LAUGHTER ).

    (笑):

  • >> Stephen: AND HOW MANY TIMESES HAVE YOU HAD TO PUNCH

    >> 史蒂芬:你打了多少次?

  • MONORAJU IN THE THROAT TO GET TO MITCH McCONNELL BEFORE HE CAN?

    MONORAJU在喉嚨裡得到MITCH McCONNELL之前?

  • >> IT'S FUNNY YOU SAY THAT.

    >> 你這樣說很有趣。

  • WE WORKED WITH HIM FOR A VERY LONG TIME AT POLITICO, AND HE

    我們和他在政治人物雜誌工作了很長時間,他也是

  • IS-- HE IS KNOWN TO JUMP OUT OF BUSHES AND BE AROUND A CORNER

    是... ... 他知道跳出灌木叢,並在一個角落裡。

  • WHEN YOU LEAST WANT TO SEE HIM.

    當你最不想看到他的時候,

  • I MEAN, HE IS OUR FRIEND.

    我是說,他是我們的朋友。

  • WE DON'T REPORT ON HIM.

    我們不報告他。

  • HE DOESN'T JUMP OUT OF BUSHES ON US --

    他不跳出灌木叢對我們 -

  • >> Stephen: I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO BEAT HIM TO THE CONGRESSMEN.

    >> 我的意思是,你得把他打到國會去。

  • YOU HAVE TO BEAT HIM.

    你必須打敗他。

  • >> RIGHT.

    >> 右邊。

  • BUT WE ALSO DON'T PUNCH HIM.

    但我們也不打他。

  • >> Stephen: ANNA, DO YOU PUNCH HIM?

    >> 安納,你打他嗎?

  • >> NO THE PUNCHBOWL IS THE ONLY PUNCHING I'M DOING THESE DAYS.

    >> 不,這幾天我只打了拳頭。

  • >> Stephen: JAKE, YOU WERE IN THE CAPITOL DURING THE ATTACK.

    >> 傑克,襲擊時你在首都。

  • WHAT WAS THAT EXPERIENCE LIKE?

    那次經歷是怎樣的?

  • >> IT WAS VERY SEARING.

    >> 它是非常SEARING。

  • IT'S LIKE-- NOT TO MINIMIZE IT AT ALL-- BUT IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY

    這就像... ... 不是要最小化它,但它就像有人

  • COMING INTO YOUR HOUSE-- I MEAN, WE BASICALLY LIVE IN THE

    我的意思是,我們基本都住在這裡。

  • CAPITOL.

    CAPITOL:

  • WE SPEND ALL OF OUR DAYS THERE, 12 HOURS A DAY FOR THE LAST

    我們在那裡度過了所有的日子,每天12小時,在過去的一年裡,我們的工作是在那裡。

  • DECADE OR SO.

    十年左右。

  • AND IT'S LIKE SOMEONE COMING INTO YOUR HOUSE AND INVADING IT.

    就好像有人闖進你的房子裡 侵佔了你的房子。

  • IT WAS VERY SCARY.

    這是很可怕的。

  • I MEAN, PEOPLE WERE BANGING ON THE DOORS, WHEREAS AT A CERTAIN

    我是說,人們都在敲門,而在某一時刻...

  • POINT OUR OFFICE AND THE CAPITOL IS JUST, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF

    我們的辦公室和首都只是,你知道,幾個

  • HUNDRED FEET OR SO FROM THE HOUSE FLOOR, WHERE KIND OF THE

    離房子地面幾百英尺左右的地方,哪裡有什麼樣的人?

  • CENTER STAGE OF THE INSURRECTION, WHERE SOMEONE WAS

    在保險中心階段,有人在那裡被殺害

  • SHOT AND KILLED.

    被射殺。

  • AND WE WERE-- WE TURNED TO EACH OTHER AT SOME POINT IN THIS ROOM

    我們 -- 我們在這間屋子裡的某一個點上互相轉過身來。

  • AND SAID TO OURSELVES, "HOW DO WE MAKE SURE NO ONE FINDS US?"

    並對我們說,"我們如何確保沒有人發現我們?"

  • THERE'S A BIG SIGN ON THE DOOR THAT SAYS "PRESS," "PERIODICAL

    門上有個大牌子,上面寫著 "新聞"、"定期"。

  • PRESS," WHICH IS NOT COMFORTING.

    壓",這並不令人欣慰。

  • WE DIDN'T GET EVACUATED UNTIL SEVERAL HOURS INTO THE

    我們直到幾個小時後才被疏散出來。

  • INSURRECTION.

    保險:

  • IT WAS SOMETHING I'VE NEVER FORGET.

    這是我永遠不會忘記的事情。

  • IT WAS VERY-- VERY ALARMING AND VERY FRIGHTENING.

    它是非常 -- 非常驚心動魄的,非常可怕的。

  • >> Stephen: YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT VIOLATION OF YOUR

    >> 你知道嗎?

  • WORKSPACE, AND OF COURSE OF THE SORT OF DEMOCRATICALLY SACRED

    工作場所,當然也包括那種民主神聖的工作場所。

  • SPACE FOR AMERICANS, WHAT DOES IT FEEL LIKE TO BE REPORTING ON

    美國人的空間,報道的感覺是什麼?

  • CONGRESS RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU SEE PEOPLE LIKE TED CRUZ AND JOSH

    當你看到像TED CRUZ和JOSH這樣的人時,現在的國會。

  • HAWLEY OUT THERE STROKING THEIR CHINS AND GOING, "OH, GOSH, I

    霍利在那裡摸著下巴,去,"哦,天哪,我。

  • WONDER HOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD HAVE COME ABOUT?"

    不知道怎麼會有這樣的事情發生?"

  • >> I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT, RIGHT.

    >> 我覺得這很難,對吧。

  • I MEAN, WE ALL EXPERIENCED IT.

    我的意思是,我們都經歷了它。

  • WE SAW THAT IT WAS AN ARMED INSURRECTION.

    我們發現這是一起武裝保險。

  • THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE MEMBERS GASLIGHLIGHTING AND KIND OF SAYI

    事實上,你有成員GASLIGHLIGHTING和KIND OF SAYI

  • THAT THEY WEREN'T ARMED, IT'S JUST FALSE.

    他們沒有武裝,這是錯誤的。

  • AND I USED TO ALWAYS TELL ME MOM, "DON'T WORRY.

    我總是告訴我媽媽,"不要擔心。

  • WE'RE IN THE CAPITOL.

    我們在首都。

  • WE'RE IN THE SAFEST PLACE THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN.

    我們是在最安全的地方,可能會發生。

  • D.C. HAS SO MANY PROTESTS."

    華盛頓特區有這麼多的抗議活動。"

  • AND TO SEE IT TOTALLY DESECRATED LIKE THAT WITH SO MUCH DISREGARD

    看到它被完全毀壞而又如此無視它的存在

  • AND, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IT WAS REALLY PLANNED, YOU KNOW,

    而且,你知道,事實是,它是計劃好的,你知道。

  • OUT.

    出。

  • IT'S VERY SCARY.

    很可怕的。

  • AND I THINK IT'S REALLY ALARMING TO THINK THAT THESE MEMBERS--

    我覺得這些成員...

  • THERE ARE ONLY A FEW OF THEM, BUT THEY ARE LOUD, AND THEY ARE

    他們只有幾個,但他們是響亮的,而且他們是

  • REALLY PLANTING FALSEHOODS INTO THE PUBLIC.

    真正把假話栽贓給公眾。

  • >> Stephen: WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE G.O.P.

    >> Stephen: G.O.P.的幕後工作是什麼?

  • BETWEEN THE FACTIONS THAT WANT TO STAY CONNECTED TO DONALD

    希望與唐納德保持聯繫的行動之間的關係

  • TRUMP, AND THOSE WHO WANT TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES?

    特朗普,還有那些想離間自己的人?

  • >> WE WROTE THIS MORNING THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS PERHAPS

    >> 我們今天早上寫道,共和黨可能是

  • MORE ADRIFT THAN IT HAS BEEN AT ANY POINT SINCE WATERGATE.

    比水門事件以來的任何時候都要嚴重。

  • I MEAN, WE HAVE A SMALL MINORITY OF THE G.O.P.-- WHICH, BY THE

    我的意思是,我們有一小部分的G. O. P.

  • WAY, INCLUDES MITCH McCONNELL.

    WAY,包括MITCH McCONNELL。

  • TODAY RAJU ASKED MITCH McCONNELL AT A NEWS CONFERENCE

    TODAY RAJU ASKED MITCH McCONNELL AT A NEWS CONFERENCE(新聞發佈會)

  • I WAS AT BASICALLY WHERE HE SHOULD HAVE-- WHETHER HE REGRETS

    我在基本的地方,他應該有 - 無論他是否後悔。

  • SPEAKING OUT AGAINST TRUMP.

    反對特朗普的言論。

  • AND McCONNELL SAID, "I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ABOUT

    麥康奈爾說:"我對你沒有更多的評論。

  • THAT EPISODE," OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

    那一集 "或類似的東西。

  • SO HE'S NOT EVEN SAYING DONALD TRUMP'S NAME ANYMORE.

    所以,他甚至不說唐納德・特朗普的名字了。

  • BUT IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH ENERGY IS SPENT TRYING TO KEEP DONALD

    但令人驚訝的是,有多少能量被花費試圖保持唐納德。

  • TRUMP HAPPY.

    特朗普高興了。

  • I MEAN, IT'S JUST-- GOING DOWN TO MAR-A-LAGO.

    我是說,這只是... ... 去MAR -A -LAGO。

  • , MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN IT COMES TO

    確保人們在涉及以下問題時在同一戰線上。

  • DONALD TRUMP, IT'S JUST AMAZING TO WATCH THE ENERGY THAT'S

    唐納德-特魯姆普,這只是一個令人驚歎的能量,這就是所謂的。

  • EXPENDED, THAT'S SPENT KEEPING THE FORMER PRESIDENT HAPPY.

    花了,那是用來讓前任總統高興的。

  • >> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

    >> 我們得快速休息一下。

  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH ANNA PALMER AND JAKE SHERMAN OF

    我們馬上回來與安娜-帕爾默和傑克-謝爾曼的。

  • "PUNCHBOWL NEWS."

    "拳頭碗新聞。"

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♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HELLO, AND WELCOME

你好,歡迎你。

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