It was a bad call on the part of Urban Meyer.

這是烏爾班-梅耶爾的一個錯誤決定。

Now you know me personally.

現在你認識我了

I mean, I don't know if cancer culture applies here or whatever, but I'm of the mindset that this is the land of second chances.

我的意思是，我不知道癌症文化是否適用於這裡或什麼， 但我的心態，這是第二次機會的土地。

And you know, when I initially heard of the higher Chris Doyle, I sided with Urban Meyer.

你知道，當我最初聽到更高的Chris Doyle時，我站在Urban Meyer一邊。

From this perspective, he said it was vetted.

從這個角度來說，他說是經過審核的。

I was.

我是。

I assumed that he had spoken to players Aziz well as folks within the organization before making the decision, and that it wasn't a unilateral decision on his part and that everybody was on board.

我以為他在做出這個決定之前，已經和球員阿齊茲以及組織內部的人談過了，而且這不是他單方面的決定，大家都在船上。

And that's really the way that I took it.

而我也確實是這樣認為的。

And I left it at that.

我就這樣離開了。

Little did I know that Urban Meyer hadn't consulted with players, hadn't really talked to anybody.

我不知道Urban Meyer沒有和球員們商量過，沒有和任何人談過。

He swore that he vetted Crystal.

他發誓，他審核了水晶。

But clearly, uh, you know, the facts show otherwise.

但很明顯，呃，你知道，事實表明不是這樣。

The reality of the situation is that have this guy coming out of Iowa, um, known for racist remarks and bullying and politically and belittling players.

現實的情況是，有這個傢伙出來的愛荷華州，嗯，已知的種族主義言論和欺負和政治和輕視球員。

That's bad enough.

這已經夠糟的了。

But when you take into account Urban Meyer's history, particularly as it pertained toe Zack Smith, or how the former House State receivers coach he had hired three years after Zack Smith got, you know, got in trouble on domestic violence charges and stuff like that.

但當你考慮到Urban Meyer的歷史，特別是它涉及到Zack Smith，或者說在Zack Smith得到三年後，他聘請的前州接球員教練如何，你知道，在家庭暴力指控和類似的事情上遇到了麻煩。

Urban Meyer has dropped the ball, and and that was that.

烏爾都梅耶爾已經丟了球，而且就是這樣。

You know, that was years ago, and Soto come into the new job and to do it again.

你知道，那是幾年前的事了，而Soto來到新的工作崗位上，又做了一次。

And this is one of your first hires.

而這是你的第一批僱員之一。

It makes Urban Meyer looks look very, very bad.

這讓Urban Meyer看起來非常非常糟糕。

It makes him come across as very desensitized or insensitive to the times that we're living in and what's been going on.

這讓他顯得非常麻木，或者說對我們所處的時代和所發生的事情不敏感。

And more importantly, I think he can expect to be confronted by some players who'd want an explanation as to why he would think that it was okay to make that decision and just Azzan aside, I just want to say this.

而更重要的是，我想他可以預料到會有一些球員面對他，他們會希望得到一個解釋，為什麼他會認為做出這樣的決定是可以的，撇開阿贊不談，我只想說。

I'm one of those guys who believes if you're not in jail, okay, if you're not incarcerated, you know, you should be working for somebody, because if you ain't working for somebody, then that means we got to support you as citizens, paying our taxes and stuff like that.

我是那些誰相信的傢伙之一 如果你不在監獄裡，好吧，如果你不被監禁， 你知道，你應該是為別人工作， 因為如果你是不是為別人工作， 那麼這意味著我們得到了支持你 作為公民，支付我們的稅收和類似的東西。

I support everybody being employed, so I'm never happy about folks being unemployed, because to me, that's just wait on society as a whole.

我支持每個人都有工作，所以我從不為人們失業而高興，因為對我來說，這只是整個社會的等待。

Having said all of that when you're in positions of leadership and you're a leader of men and you have a plethora of men that you're overseeing on, but to some degree you're gonna have to answer to us.

說了這麼多，當你在領導崗位上，你是一個男人的領導者，你有大量的男人，你在監督上，但在某種程度上，你會不得不回答我們。

Well, even though you're the boss, you got to sensitize yourself to a situation well enough to know what decisions you should and should not make and urban Meyer him doing this shows us that the very things that he's apologized for in the past in terms of making bad judgment calls and what have you he still isn't finished making those highly questionable calls.

好吧，即使你是老闆，你也得讓自己對情況有足夠的敏感度，知道你應該做什麼決定，不應該做什麼決定，而都市梅耶爾他這樣做，向我們展示了他過去所道歉的那些事情，在做出錯誤判斷的時候，以及你所做的那些事情，他仍然沒有完成那些非常有問題的決定。

And that's the unfortunate part of all of this.

這就是這一切的不幸之處。

Let's talk about cancel culture.

我們來談談取消文化。

Stephen A.

Stephen A.

I am against it if it's permanent, if the cancelation means you're permanently disqualified from participating in American life in your chosen profession, even at the highest levels, because you've made a mistake.

我反對它，如果它是永久性的，如果取消意味著你永久地失去了參與美國生活的資格，在你選擇的職業，甚至在最高級別，因為你犯了一個錯誤。

I'm against that, however, and I agree with you second chances and then some.

不過，我反對，我同意你第二次機會，然後再給一些。

What is the point to punish just to punish?

為了懲罰而懲罰，有什麼意義呢？

You know it's to make people better to make the world better, right?

你知道這是為了讓人們變得更好，讓世界變得更美好，對嗎？

Yeah, but before you get the second chance, I think you need to be held accountable.

是的，但在你獲得第二次機會之前，我認為你需要承擔責任。

You need to take accountability for your behavior.

你需要對自己的行為負責。

You need to take steps to correct it, and then you can move on.

你需要採取措施改正，然後你才能繼續前進。

I haven't seen Let's let's take Urban Meyer.

我還沒看過 "讓我們來對付Urban Meyer"。

Urban Meyer comes out of the press conference and says were mixed this statement that this was thoroughly vetted, right?

烏爾班-梅耶爾走出新聞發佈會，說是混合了這句話，這是徹底的審查，對嗎？

He vented it.

他把它發洩出來。

And the players are gonna have to trust me.

而球員們也要相信我。

Hold on a second.

等一下

He also talked about transparency.

他還談到了透明度問題。

Okay, well, coach in in in the, uh, to the issue of transparency, what was that process like?

好了，好了，教練在在在，呃，透明度的問題，是什麼過程是什麼樣的？

What questions did you ask him?

你問了他什麼問題？

Why are you now satisfied?

為什麼你現在滿意了？

What did he tell you?

他跟你說了什麼？

That can't be opaque?

那不可能是不透明的？

You know, you can't say it's transparent on the one hand, and then it's not transparent on the other because when the players just have to trust you, what you're saying is, in my judgment, it's not actually transparent in my judgment.

你知道，你不能一方面說它透明，另一方面又說它不透明，因為當玩家只需要相信你的時候，你說的是，在我的判斷中，其實在我的判斷中是不透明的。

Everything's okay now.

現在一切都好了。

I haven't heard accountability taken, and I don't know what Urban Meyer's judgment is based on.

我沒有聽說過問責，也不知道烏爾班-梅耶爾的判斷是基於什麼。

What were the steps where the vetting steps actually taken so when he tells his players, You'll just have to trust me.

哪些步驟是真正採取的審核步驟，所以當他告訴他的球員，你們只要相信我就可以了。

That is the opposite of transparency and because I haven't heard an accountability taken.

這就是透明的反面，也是因為我沒有聽到過問責。

I don't know that that that that in the subject in question is ready toe have the second chance.

我不知道，那那那在問題的主體是準備有第二次機會。

Furthermore, Stephen A.

此外，Stephen A．

You brought up, I believe you touched on Zach Smith, right?

你提到了，我相信你提到了扎克-史密斯，對嗎？

Mm hmm.

嗯哼。

Is Urban Meyer's especially recent history, indicative of head coach or an administrator who make sound decisions in this department?

烏爾班-梅耶爾的特別近況，是否說明主教練或管理者在這個部門做出了正確的決策？

It doesn't seem to me it is, it seems to me that contradicts his very point.

在我看來不是，在我看來這和他的觀點相矛盾。

So So just to conclude my point, I am also against cancel culture if it means you are permanently canceled.

所以，所以我總結一下我的觀點，我也反對取消文化，如果它意味著你被永久取消。

With few exceptions, however, there must be responsibility taken first.

然而，除了少數例外，必須先承擔責任。

I didn't see that here.

我在這裡沒有看到。

I agree with you.

我同意你的說法。

I will say this to if we want to get into the mind the psyche of a urban Maya based specifically on his words in terms of you're gonna have to trust me.

我想說的是，如果我們想進入一個城市瑪雅的心靈心理，具體根據他的話來說，你要相信我。

Urban Meyer, who I believe to be a brilliant football coach, is clearly one of those people.

烏爾班-梅耶爾，我相信他是一位出色的足球教練，顯然是其中之一。

Last time we saw him, he's winning 90% of his games at Ohio State one.

上次我們看到他，他在俄亥俄州一的比賽中贏了90%。

You know, you know, a couple national championships on national championship in Florida.

你知道的，你知道的，在佛羅里達州的全國冠軍賽上獲得過幾次全國冠軍。

We know what he brings to the table is a coach.

我們知道他給我們帶來的是一個教練。

He's clearly one of those people, I believe when he said, You have to trust me.

他顯然是這樣的人，我相信他說，你要相信我。

In other words, he's saying, I'm a winner.

換句話說，他在說，我是贏家。

I win.

我贏了

Trust me that the things that I'm doing will lead to us winning.

相信我所做的事情會讓我們贏。

And obviously there are people that they're gonna have a problem with that because they're like winning isn't everything well, to a lot of football coaches?

很明顯，有人會對這一點有意見，因為他們認為勝利不是萬能的，對很多足球教練來說？

As Lombardi would say, Yeah, it's the only certainly, you know what I'm saying?

就像倫巴第說的那樣，是的，這是唯一肯定的，你知道我在說什麼嗎？

So and so and so that that that that would explain things.

所以，所以，所以，所以，這將解釋的事情。

Which brings me to Trent Baalke.

這讓我想到了特倫特-巴爾克。

Let's not let him off the hook.

我們不能讓他逍遙法外。

He is the general manager of the Jacksonville Jaguars.

他是傑克遜維爾美洲虎隊的總經理。

You do have some say within that organization.

你在那個組織裡確實有一些發言權。

You're not a novice at this.

你在這方面不是新手。

You used to be in San Francisco in pro personnel, and then you're the GM.

你以前在舊金山做專業人事，然後你是總經理。

You've been around, and so for you to be around and for this toe happen under your watch as well.

你一直在身邊，所以對於你在身邊，對於這個腳趾也在你的眼皮底下發生。

Let's under because the players can only say, but so much here they could say it.

讓我們下，因為玩家只能說，但這裡的很多東西他們可以說出來。

But you know, this is not basketball.

但你知道，這不是籃球。

It's football.

這是足球。

And so they probably even though some would speak up for the most part, dudes would get scared.

所以他們可能即使有些人會說出來大部分，帥哥也會害怕。

They'll end up losing their jobs.

他們最終會失去工作。

Eventually, the second you snap a finger, you gotta look at executives that are working in concert with Urban Meyer.

最終，你一打響指，就得看與烏爾班-梅耶協同工作的高管。

You certainly had the power to say something.

你當然有能力說些什麼。

Where the hell were you?

你到底去哪了？

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訂閱ESPN，加。