Then how it, like, you know?

那麼它是如何，喜歡，你知道嗎？

But if LeBron re matched Jordan and beat him and LeBron and LeBron went on to win five or six championships, he would have a generation of people saying he's better than Jordan.

但如果勒布朗重新匹配喬丹並擊敗他，勒布朗和勒布朗繼續贏得五六個冠軍，他將有一代人說他比喬丹更好。

It's not happening.

這是不可能的。

Not giving.

不給。

Let me throw a different kind of analogy there, Max.

讓我來做個不同的比喻吧，麥克斯。

Um, in 2000 and two, my man will pack a producer.

嗯，在2000年和2年，我的男人會包裝一個生產者。

Extraordinary, huge, huge Tampa Bay fan.

非凡的，巨大的，巨大的坦帕灣球迷。

And what have you he just text me a few minutes ago.

他幾分鐘前剛給我發了簡訊。

Here's the deal.

是這樣的

When you look at what what think about what Tampa did in 2000 and two.

當你看到什麼什麼認為坦帕在2000年和兩個。

They go out, they go all in, they go out and they get Jon Gruden.

他們全力以赴，全力以赴，他們出手了，他們得到了喬恩-格魯登。

All right, that's one parallel.

好吧，這是一個平行的。

Then they go and they beat the Eagles.

然後他們去擊敗老鷹隊。

I was at that game the coldest game I've ever been to Had to cover that game for the Philadelphia Inquirer.

我去看了那場比賽，那是我看過的最冷的一場比賽，我不得不為《費城問詢報》報道那場比賽。

I had I looked like I was £300 on the snorkels and everything that I had on it was ridiculous.

我有我看起來像我是300英鎊的浮潛器和一切，我對它的可笑。

Okay, alright.

好吧，好吧。

They finally beat the Eagles.

他們終於戰勝了老鷹隊。

They got over the hump, and more importantly, they were distractions along the way.

他們度過了難關，更重要的是，他們一路上都在分心。

If you recall when they beat that one, that Super Bowl against the Raiders.

如果你還記得他們打那場比賽的時候，那場對陣突擊隊的超級碗。

Barret Robbins, he sits up there.

巴雷特-羅賓斯，他坐在那裡。

He's upset that the coach Bill Callahan, you know, decided to toe game plan and go away from the power running game, which, to him, was his bread and butter.

他很不高興教練比爾・卡拉漢決定改變比賽計劃 放棄強力跑動的比賽，對他來說，那是他的麵包和黃油。

That's how he became a Pro Bowl center and what have you?

他就是這樣成為職業碗中鋒的，你說呢？

He was destroyed.

他被摧毀了。

This press, leave the hotel, go out, get drunk, do drugs, prostitutes and all of the all types of stuff.

這按，離開酒店，出去喝酒，吸毒，嫖娼，各種類型的東西都有。

It was crazy what he did, and they couldn't find them for the Super Bowl.

他做的事情太瘋狂了，他們找不到他們參加超級碗。

Okay, so they all pro center was gone.

好吧，所以他們所有的親中心都不見了。

All right, what happens this time around?

好吧，這次會發生什麼？

Andy Reid with his son.

安迪-裡德和他的兒子。

That news comes up that's percolating Super Bowl weeks.

這個消息的出現，讓超級碗週而復始。

The parallels cannot be denied, but guess what we still remember.

不能否認這種相似之處，但你猜我們還記得什麼。

Jon Gruden had to winning seasons in his last six in his last six years in the six years in Tampa Bay, right?

That was a Super Bowl championship season.

那是一個超級碗的冠軍賽季。

Ever since then, they had no success, but John Route Gruden leaves, is in the Monday Night Football booth and is relevant to this day because of what they were able to do with that one Super Bowl.

從那以後，他們就沒有成功過，但約翰-路線-格魯登離開了，在週一晚間橄欖球賽的賽場上，因為他們能用那一個超級碗來做的事情，而與今天息息相關。

And that's a coach.

而這是一個教練。

So can you imagine what this is going to do for Tom Brady, who had six rings before he walked my point on and then and now do this?

所以你能想象這對湯姆-布雷迪來說會有什麼影響嗎，他在走我的點上之前有六枚戒指，然後現在又這樣做？

My point is untouchable.

我的觀點是不可觸碰的。

My point.

我的觀點是：

My point is you're right.

我的觀點是你是對的。

That's why, in terms of being unlikely, which is why I brought up Babe Ruth 100 years later, people still think he's the greatest.

這就是為什麼，從不可能的角度來說，這就是為什麼我提出貝比-魯斯100年後，人們仍然認為他是最偉大的。

Probably WAAS Um, Sugar Ray Robinson.

可能是WAAS Um，Sugar Ray Robinson。

It's been 60 70 years.

已經60年70年了。

He's still the greatest.

他還是最偉大的。

And 60 or 70 years from now we may still be saying that about Brady.

而六七十年後，我們可能還會這樣說布雷迪。

But I will remind you LeBron James was out of the conversation permanently after the loss in Dallas, and he got his way back in.

但我要提醒你，勒布朗-詹姆斯在達拉斯輸掉比賽後就永久退出了話題，而他又重新回到了話題中。

So so if Mahomes winds up beating Brady at some point down the road and winds up with five Super Bowls or something like that will be in the conversation.

所以，所以如果馬霍姆在以後的某個時間點上擊敗了布雷迪，並贏得了5個超級碗之類的獎項，就會成為話題。

Why don't you just quit?

你為什麼不乾脆退出？

Why don't you just quit first?

你為什麼不先退出呢？

Take right now, you've been raving about Jordan being the greatest as have I.

就拿現在來說，你和我一樣，一直在誇讚喬丹是最偉大的。

In other words, we don't leave wrong.

換句話說，我們不會走錯。

That's what s So why are you saying that?

那你為什麼這麼說？

We don't believe it because I'm addressing your point, your point about what people will remember.

我們不相信，因為我是針對你的觀點，你的觀點是人們會記住什麼。

You're saying it's disqualifying because he lost his head and people will forget the details.

你說這是取消資格，因為他失去了他的頭，人們會忘記細節。

But those same people have embraced LeBron.

但這些人也接受了勒布朗。

Many off them most people would raise two people who embrace LeBron weren't born when Jordan was playing will be in the conversation that could work into Brady, just like LeBron's in the conversation as second to Michael Jordan.

許多關他們大多數人會養兩個人擁抱勒布朗是不是出生時喬丹打球將在對話中，可以工作到布雷迪，就像勒布朗的在對話中作為第二邁克爾喬丹。

That's fax man.

那是傳真員。

Well, I would say this Jordan, if Mahomes is Peak, is considered higher than Brady's.

好吧，我想說的是，這個喬丹，如果馬霍姆斯是巔峰的話，算是比布雷迪的高。

As an individual performer, he doesn't need to catch him with numbers of Super Bowls, so long as he's competitive there.

作為個人表現，他不需要用超級碗的數字來追趕他，只要他在那裡有競爭力就行。

If he has a handful of Super Bowl wins, and at some point he's gonna have to beat Brady head the head, the fact that his peak will be perceived as higher could push him over the top.

如果他有一把超級碗的勝利，在某些時候，他必須擊敗布雷迪的頭，事實上，他的巔峰將被認為是更高的，可能會將他推向頂峰。

No, no, no.

不，不，不。

This is not in football in team sports when it comes to all time greats, whether you like it or not, they are going to be measured at the quarterback position by how many Super Bowls they win.

這在足球的團隊運動中，當涉及到所有歷史上的偉大人物時，無論你是否喜歡，他們都會在四分衛位置上以他們贏得多少超級碗來衡量。

We talk about Aaron Rodgers all the time, is one of the most talented ever.

我們一直在談論阿倫-羅傑斯，是有史以來最有天賦的人之一。

But one of the questions, if not the biggest question tied to him, is why has he only one won, no matter how the talent or how remarkable his statistics have been, that will be the same.

但其中一個問題，如果不是與他掛鉤的最大問題，那就是為什麼他只贏了一場，無論他的天賦如何，數據如何出色，那都會是一樣的。

Bradshaw.

布拉德肖。

Not gonna bring that cannon for an arm.

不會帶著大炮來換胳膊。

No one ever calls him the greatest of all time, and no one did back then, either.

從來沒有人稱他為史上最偉大的人，當年也沒有人稱他為史上最偉大的人。

Max.

最多。

The only reason is because Terry Bradshaw respectfully played over like 40 plus years ago.

唯一的原因就是因為特里-布拉德肖恭恭敬敬地在40多年前打過來的樣子。

Bud like, Ah, lot of people that talk about sports weren't alive then.

芽一樣，啊，很多人談體育的時候都不在人世。

Johnny Unite has had that title for a long eight year Olds.

約翰尼-尤尼特已經擁有這個頭銜長達八年之久了。

Max.

最多。

He will not catch Tom.

他抓不到湯姆

Tom has seven Super Bowls.

湯姆有七個超級碗。

He has to win six more to even get into the conversation.

他必須再贏六場才能進入對話。

In an era where the salary cap is going to continue to be fought, no one is going to do what Tom did and take way that Tom did that.

在這個工資帽還要繼續打的時代，沒有人會像湯姆那樣，採取湯姆那樣的方式。

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