By the time the playoffs roll around, defense is another story.

到了季後賽，防守就是另一回事了。

How do you see the nets right now?

你怎麼看現在的網友？

Well, I would agree with you on, you know, historically, were these three on the perimeter?

好吧，我同意你的說法，你知道，歷史上，這三個人是在外圍嗎？

Correct.

正確的。

There's only been one other time where you had, uh, something that was, uh, similar to this.

只有一次，你有，呃，類似這樣的事情。

And that was when they were all in O k.

而那時候他們都在O K。

C.

C.

When you have Westbrook, Harden and Durant in O k.

當你有威斯布魯克，哈登和杜蘭特在O K。

C.

C.

They had a chance to be what we're talking about today in terms of Durant Harden and now Kyrie Irving.

他們有機會成為我們今天所說的杜蘭特-哈登和現在的凱里-歐文。

So I don't the perimeter.

所以我不周邊。

I don't know if there's ever been three dynamic perimeter players on the same team at this level ever in the history of the game.

我不知道在歷史上，這種級別的球隊中，有沒有出現過三個充滿活力的外圍球員。

With the exception of okay, see, when they were all young, um, you know, moving forward, you know, on the defensive side.

除了好吧，看，當他們都是年輕的，嗯，你知道，前進，你知道，在防守方面。

You know, Max, I come from that school.

你知道，馬克斯，我來自那所學校。

Were defense wins championship.

被防守贏得冠軍。

Although you you could be great offensively.

雖然你你可以是偉大的進攻。

But if if they don't get their act together defensively, um, there they're not gonna have the type of success that we all know they can have, you know, you bring up, okay?

但是，如果他們沒有得到他們的行為一起防守， 嗯，他們不會有類型的成功，我們都知道他們可以有， 你知道，你提出來的，好嗎？

See?

看到了嗎？

And even.

甚至。

Okay.

好吧，我知道了

See, Westbrook couldn't shoot it like Kyrie.

看，威斯布魯克不能像凱里那樣投籃。

And then I think about Golden State.

然後我想到了金州。

Michael Thomas texted me mad the other day because what about Golden State?

邁克爾-托馬斯前幾天給我發簡訊發瘋了，因為金州大學怎麼辦？

What about the dubs?

那配音呢？

Because his boys on that team, his son And while those three guys could all shoot and Clay could get his own shot.

因為他的兒子在那支球隊裡，他的兒子 而那三個人都可以投籃，Clay也可以自己投籃。

But not on a level of Kyrie Irving, you know, getting his own shot.

但不是像凱里-歐文那樣的水準，你知道，讓他自己出手。

I don't think there's ever been that combination.

我想從來沒有過這種組合。

You know, You get your own shot at that level and you shoot at that level, not just score.

你知道，你在那個級別上有自己的鏡頭，你在那個級別上射擊，而不僅僅是分數。

It's It's amazing.

這是... 這是驚人的。

The defense is going to be the question, Isaiah, the Lakers do play defense.

防守是要出問題的，以賽亞，湖人隊是會防守的。

You know, the Lakers are a top offensive and defensive team.

要知道，湖人是一支攻防俱佳的球隊。

Does anyone have a chance to knock them off this year?

今年有沒有人有機會把他們打掉？

But for Brooklyn does have a chance if they decided to defend.

但對於布魯克林來說，如果他們決定防守，確實有機會。

And this is this has been Now, this is where the coaching comes in, right?

而這是這一直現在，這就是教練的作用，對吧？

Can you can you put a defensive game plan in that your team is going to buy in and going to be inspired?

你能不能把一個防守型的比賽計劃，讓你的團隊去買單，去激勵？

and motivated Thio play on both ends of the floor and, you know, the the great, the great players.

並激勵Thio在兩端打球，你知道，偉大的，偉大的球員。

That's why they always seek out.

所以他們總是找。

You know, the great coaches, Uh, because they do want to be challenged on both sides of the ball.

你知道，偉大的教練，呃，因為他們確實想在球的兩邊都受到挑戰。

They do want to reach their potential and, you know, every every coach can't coach great player, so, you know, shock.

他們確實想發揮自己的潛力，而且，你知道，每一個每一個教練都不能執教偉大的球員，所以，你知道，震驚。

You know, if Shack don't meet Phil Jackson, I'm not sure what we see.

你知道，如果沙克不去見菲爾-傑克遜，我不知道我們會看到什麼。

How The shack in Orlando.

如何在奧蘭多的小屋。

If Jordan doesn't meet Phil Jackson, I'm not sure what we see out of Jordan in Chicago.

如果喬丹沒有遇到菲爾-傑克遜，我不知道我們在芝加哥看到的喬丹是什麼。

If Kobe doesn't meet Phil Jackson, I'm not sure what we see out of Kobe.

如果科比沒有遇到菲爾-傑克遜，我不知道我們從科比身上看到了什麼。

You know, they would have had careers.

你知道，他們會有事業的。

Yeah, And if I don't meet Chuck Daly, right?

是啊 如果我見不到Chuck Daly呢?

You know, it s so great coaching.

你知道，它是如此偉大的教練。

You know it for the great players, they not only do they demanded, but they need it, get to the next level and maximize and reach their full potential.

你知道對於偉大的球員來說，他們不僅要求，而且需要，進入一個新的層次，最大限度地發揮和發揮他們的全部潛力。

So it's gonna be a lot of person on that coaching staff in Brooklyn that I'm seeing right now.

所以我現在看到的布魯克林的那個教練組裡會有很多人。

We're defensively.

我們是防守型的。

They got to get their act together because nobody questions what's going on offensively?

他們得振作起來，因為沒有人質疑進攻上的問題？

Yeah, that's interesting.

是啊，這很有趣。

The great players want to be challenged the way shack throughout that challenge to Donovan Mitchell the other day and a lot of people took that the wrong way.

偉大的球員都希望被挑戰的方式沙克整個那天對多諾萬-米切爾的挑戰，很多人都認為是錯誤的方式。

And shock is saying I'm just trying to motivate him.

而休克是說我只是想激勵他。

I want to talk to you quickly before I let you go because we're running up against it now, is there?

在我放你走之前，我想快點和你談談，因為我們現在遇到了困難，是嗎？

Um, M v P So far this season, I think if a laugh, I don't think he's gonna win it.

嗯，M對P本賽季到目前為止，我覺得如果笑一笑，我不認為他能贏。

But if it came out today, I would give it to em be, I think the way he's been playing on both ends of the floor, by the way, LeBron that was, You know, let me ask you about this.

但如果今天出來，我會把它交給他們，我認為他在場上兩端的表現，順便說一下，勒布朗那是，你知道，讓我問你這個問題。

Well, I think that was a dirty play led by LeBron.

好吧，我認為那是勒布朗帶頭的骯髒行為。

I don't think he's a dirty player, but that was a dirty play and be was up in the air, shoved him with both hands.

我不認為他是一個骯髒的球員，但那是一個骯髒的遊戲，be是在空中，用雙手推他。

Gasol didn't give him a place to land, gave a little tap in the back to Embiid, came down hard, was not the same player the rest of the game after that, but they still held on to win.

加索爾沒有給他落腳的地方，在背後給恩比德拍了一下，狠狠地摔了一跤，之後剩下的比賽就不是同一個人了，但他們還是堅持贏了。

I think Embiid so far is the M V p.

我認為恩比德至今是M V P。

Was that a dirty play?

這是一個骯髒的遊戲嗎？

And who's the M V p?

那誰是M V P？

I say LeBron James is the M v P.

我說勒布朗-詹姆斯是M訴P。

And, um, I would say, Definitely questionable.

而且，嗯，我會說，肯定是有問題的。

Um, I wouldn't say dirty because we because of LeBron James history, we know he's not a dirty player.

嗯，我不會說髒，因為我們因為勒布朗-詹姆斯的歷史，我們知道他不是一個骯髒的球員。

Uh, in that instance, though, uh, you know, you you definitely don't push a player when he's up in the air like that s o.

呃，在這種情況下，雖然，呃，你知道，你... ...你絕對不推一個球員，當他在空中這樣的S O。

But that's not LeBron James history.

但這不是勒布朗-詹姆斯的歷史。

It's not, but I m v p.

不是的，但我是說。

He's the M v P right now over Embiid and over K d.

他現在是M v P超過恩比德，超過K d。

Who by the way, the Nets aren't playing defense.

順便說一句，網隊誰不防守。

But K d is not only killing it offensively, I say he's taking the toughest perimeter assignment every night.

但K d不僅在進攻上大殺四方，我說他每天晚上都在接受最艱苦的外圍任務。

You know, I like he is playing defense, So I I think all three of those guys Aaron it No.

你知道，我喜歡他打防守，所以我認為所有這三個傢伙亞倫它號。

Yeah, they're in it.

是的，他們在裡面。

And, you know, I would say, you know, when Katie is healthy like he is now, In the last couple of years, K D has been the best player in the NBA.

而且，你知道，我想說，你知道，當凱蒂像現在這樣健康的時候，在過去的幾年裡，K D一直是NBA中最好的球員。

Now LeBron has the as the historical Um you know, uh uh, book that makes him arguably, you know, the greatest player ever.

現在，勒布朗有作為歷史嗯你知道，嗯嗯，書，使他可以說，你知道，有史以來最偉大的球員。

But these last couple of years, when we Kevin Durant was healthy, he was the best player, and he's playing at their level now, however, next defensively, you know, if if they don't get their act together, then they're going to get penalized.

但是這幾年，當我們凱文-杜蘭特健康的時候，他是最好的球員，他現在打出了他們的水準，然而，接下來的防守，你知道，如果他們不振作起來，那麼他們就會受到懲罰。

And Katie will be penalized because of the lack of the defensive effort by the Brooklyn Nets.

而凱蒂會因為布魯克林籃網隊的防守不力而被罰下。

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