He was their passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach.

他是他們的傳球協調員和外接手教練。

He's never been an offensive coordinator at the NFL level, but he does have 27 seasons of NFL experience as a coach.

他從未擔任過NFL級別的進攻協調員，但他確實有27個賽季的NFL教練經驗。

And so let us get Schefty into the conversation here.

所以讓我們把謝夫蒂請到這裡來談話。

Let's start with this, Adam.

從這個開始吧，亞當

What can you tell us about the higher?

你能告訴我們更高的是什麼？

Well, I think the Houston Texans green.

我覺得休斯頓德州人隊是綠色的。

You were looking for somebody who projected a CEO type of image.

你要找的是一個有CEO形象的人。

And David Kelley is a man who has been in the NFL since 1994.

而大衛-凱利是一個從1994年就開始在NFL工作的人。

As you mentioned, never been as much as a coordinator, but he does have a command of a room.

就像你說的，從來沒有當過那麼多的協調員，但他確實有一個房間的指揮權。

He does have the respect of his players, and he did work with Andy Reid for 16 seasons.

他確實得到了球員們的尊重，他也確實和安迪-裡德合作了16個賽季。

And so we've seen the shaman.

所以我們已經看到了薩滿。

They effect, and now we're seeing the Andy Reid effect on a lot of people other than Eric B.

他們的效應，現在我們看到安迪-裡德的效應，除了埃裡克-B之外，還有很多人。

Enemy.

敵人。

So David Cully comes from being an underdog to becoming the head coach of the Houston Texans.

所以大衛-庫利從一個弱者到成為休斯頓德州人隊的主教練。

And as you mentioned, the biggest challenge that he will face is trying to change the mind of DeShaun Watson.

而正如你所提到的，他將面臨的最大挑戰是試圖改變德尚-沃森的想法。

But even before David Cully was hired, Chris Mortensen was told.

但在大衛-卡利被僱傭之前，克里斯-莫滕森就被告知。

I was told it would not make a difference who they hired to.

有人告訴我，他們請誰來不會有什麼區別。

Shawn Watson felt the way he did.

肖恩-沃森有這樣的感覺。

His feelings would be unable to change, and again, they could have gone a lot of different directions here.

他的感情將無法改變，同樣，他們在這裡可以有很多不同的方向。

They opted to go to David Cully.

他們選擇去找大衛-卡利。

The Texans did.

德州人做到了。

We'll see if that has any luck with the Shawn Watson.

我們看看這對肖恩-沃森有沒有什麼好處。

I'm skeptical that it will, but David Cully is going to have a big challenge on his hands cleaning up the mess that is in Houston with the Texans, right?

我懷疑會不會，但大衛-卡利將面臨一個很大的挑戰，清理休斯敦與德州人的爛攤子，對吧？

And and so let's pick it up right there, Schefty, that this was the move that we were waiting to see clearly that nothing was gonna happen as far as the Sean was concerned until this decision got made.

所以我們就在這裡接一下，謝夫蒂，這是我們等著看清楚的舉動，在這個決定做出之前，肖恩的事情是不會發生的。

So now what happens?

那麼現在會發生什麼？

We assume Kali will meet with the Sean and try and work that what happens from here is Faras.

我們假設Kali會和Sean見面，並嘗試工作，從這裡開始發生的是Faras。

Watson is concern.

華生是關注。

Well, you said we'll assume that David Cully meets with Shawn Watson when to my understanding, the organization has reached out to the Sean and he has not responded to their communication.

好吧，你說我們會假設大衛-卡利與肖恩-沃森見面，而據我瞭解，組織已經聯繫了肖恩，他沒有迴應他們的溝通。

Now.

現在就去

Maybe something's changed here in a couple of days that we don't know, but I don't think that they've been able to reach him no less.

也許這幾天這裡發生了什麼變化我們不知道，但我覺得他們沒少聯繫他。

Meet with him and David Cully.

與他和大衛-卡利見面。

You would hope and think would ask for and try to get a meeting with Shawn Watson again.

你會希望並認為會要求並試圖再次與肖恩-沃森見面。

I'll go back to saying I'm skeptical.

我還是要說我是懷疑的。

That will happen.

這將會發生。

So what will happen next is they'll see what their new head coach with the staff they put together.

所以接下來會發生什麼，他們會看看他們的新任主教練與他們組建的工作人員。

And, oh, by the way, there's a real chance that Josh McCown is gonna be a part of this new coaching staff.

而且，哦，順便說一下，約什・麥考恩很有可能成為新教練組的一員。

The Texans having interviewed him for head coaching job last week.

上週德州人隊已經面試了他的主教練工作。

But there's a chance that when they put together the staff, they're hoping that whatever they do is enough to help change the mind of the Shawn Watson.

但有機會，當他們把員工組合起來的時候，他們希望無論做什麼都足以幫助改變肖恩-沃森的想法。

But as we've said all along, this was not about the coaching staff.

但正如我們一直說的，這不是教練組的問題。

This is not about the general manager that they hired in the Cassara.

這不是關於他們在卡薩拉聘請的總經理。

This was about the organization.

這是關於組織的。

This was about the owner, Cal McNair, and this was about a man who in his own mind, I think has moved on and now officially wants to move on, okay?

這是關於老闆卡爾-麥克奈爾的，這是關於一個人，在他自己的心目中，我想已經向前看了，現在正式想向前看了，好嗎？

And so there's the latest there.

所以有了最新的消息。

And that certainly does not sound optimistic.

而這聽起來肯定不樂觀。

In Houston, Nique Andy would join the conversation here.

在休斯敦，尼克-安迪會在這裡加入對話。

Nick, what's your reaction to all this?

尼克，你對這一切有什麼反應？

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that David Kelley is gonna try to listen to Shawn Watson understanding of a relationship going back to their time of the Pro Bowl.

是啊，我的意思是，我敢肯定，大衛-凱利會試著聽肖恩-沃森的理解，他們的關係可以追溯到他們的職業碗時間。

So maybe DeShaun Watson answers the phone when he calls.

所以，也許德尚-沃森打電話的時候會接電話。

But then what are you going to say?

但是你又想說什麼呢？

Because, like, Adam just said, DeShaun Watson's issue is with the organization in the owner, David Cully knows nothing about the organization who knows less about the organization than the guy who just got there.

因為，就像亞當剛才說的，德尚-沃森的問題是組織中的老闆，大衛-卡利對組織一無所知，他對組織的瞭解比剛來的人還要少。

And I'm not sure what pitch David Cully is gonna give him, considering the fact that DeShaun Watson is a quarterback who likes to throw the ball.

我不知道大衛-卡利會給他投什麼球 考慮到德肖恩-沃森是個喜歡投球的四分衛。

And David Cully is coming from the Ravens, which the Onley thing they don't do well is throw the ball.

而大衛-庫利是從烏鴉隊過來的，烏鴉隊他們最不擅長的就是投球。

So I'm not sure how this lands to Shawn Watson in any better situation there, so I think the organization probably needs to move on.

所以我不知道這怎麼落到肖恩-沃森那裡有什麼更好的情況，所以我認為組織可能需要繼續前進。

And I know, as Adam said, that Shawn Watson has already moved on D.

而我知道，正如亞當所說，肖恩-沃森已經轉入D。

What do you think?

你覺得呢？

That's not gonna make one damn difference?

這不是要去做一個該死的區別？

You know, everybody said pretty much said the same thing To me, Shawn Watson seemed like a man of principle, you know, and that go and that goes directly towards, uh, the interaction that he's had with ownership.

你知道，每個人都說 幾乎說同樣的事情 對我來說，肖恩・沃森似乎是一個人的原則， 你知道，那去，那去直接走向， 呃，他的互動與所有權。

There's nothing that David Color can do, and I just and I feel e.

大衛色無能為力，我只是和我覺得e。

I feel I feel bad for David Cully walk, you know, going to the situation.

我覺得我覺得大衛-卡利走不好，你知道，去的情況。

Albeit he chose toe, you know, go with the Houston Texans.

儘管他選擇了腳趾，你知道，去休斯頓德州人隊。

But this is untenable situation for him.

但這對他來說是無法維持的局面。

Because what, like Dominic said, what can he possibly say at this moment in time to convince the Shawn Watson, Hey, why don't you stay here, although, you know ownership has shown his hand to you?

因為，就像多米尼克說的那樣，他在這個時候還能說什麼來說服肖恩-沃森，嘿，你為什麼不留在這裡，雖然，你知道所有權已經向你攤牌了？

What?

什麼？

There's nothing I could really do.

我真的無能為力

So there's I don't know what he could say to convince him what's interesting here and again.

所以有我不知道他能說什麼來說服他，這裡又有什麼有趣的地方。

I still don't think it would have made a difference if the Texans had hypothetically gone to Eric B.

我還是認為，如果德州人假設去找埃裡克-B，也不會有什麼不同。

Enemy, who once again has been bypassed in another head coaching cycle.

敵，他又一次被繞開了，在另一個主教練週期。

If they got Derek be enemy somebody that Shawn Watson I think was in favor of the team hiring.

如果他們得到德里克是敵人的人，肖恩-沃森我認為是支持球隊僱傭的。

Might that have made a difference?

可能會有不同的結果嗎？

I don't think so.

我不這麼認為。

But maybe he would have listened to Eric B.

但也許他會聽埃裡克-B的話。

Enemy somebody that he's got a tremendous amount of respect for.

敵人... ...一個他非常尊敬的人。

Had they gone to Jim Cardwell, I could think of this gym.

如果他們去找吉姆-卡德維爾，我就能想到這個健身房。

Kabul is very, very close, very close to Tony Dungy.

喀布爾離託尼-鄧基非常非常近，非常非常近。

Maybe the two of them would have sat down and maybe they would have had some impact on DeShaun Watson and no disrespect.

也許他們兩個人坐下來，也許會對德尚-沃森產生一些影響，也沒有不尊重的意思。

But what is he bringing to the Why is he gonna change?

但他帶來的是什麼，他為什麼要改變？

Can I ask you a question?

我可以問你一個問題嗎？

Adam, can I ask you a question?

亞當，我可以問你一個問題嗎？

Because I think that's come to question you asked me in.

因為我想這是來問我的問題，你在。

The meeting is Yeah, the thing that comes to my mind is for that situation.

會議是啊，我想到的是針對這種情況。

Is this a job that people wanted?

這是人家想要的工作嗎？

Because I imagine that David Cully got one interview this year.

因為我猜想，大衛-庫利今年得到了一次採訪。

He's been in the league for a long time, and his name hasn't come up very often.

他在聯盟裡呆了很久，他的名字也沒少出現。

No disrespect to him, but it wasn't like he was a highly coveted candidate.

不是對他不尊重，但他又不是備受矚目的候選人。

I imagine that they might have gone and you know better than me they might have gone after some of these bigger names.

我猜想他們可能已經走了，你比我更清楚，他們可能會追殺一些大人物。

But then they looked at the organization and said, We have a quarterback who wants to get the hell out.

但他們看著組織說，我們有一個四分衛，他想離開這裡。

We have a clergyman making the roster decisions, and we have a known ER who it feels like the team doesn't trust if I am Eric B.

我們有一個教士做名冊決定，我們有一個已知的急診室，如果我是埃裡克-B，感覺球隊不信任他。

Enemy or Leslie Frazier or Todd Bowles, one of these coaches who are drawed Mayo, one of these coaches who look like they might have other options or might have a long time in this league.

敵人或萊斯利-弗雷澤或託德-鮑爾斯，這些教練中的一個被抽中的梅奧，這些教練中的一個看起來他們可能有其他選擇，或者可能在這個聯盟中度過很長一段時間。

I look at that situation where there no draft picks in the upcoming future.

我看那種情況，在即將到來的未來沒有選秀權。

I look at that situation and Cal McNair calls me and says, Hey, Eric, the enemy, why don't you take this job?

我看著這種情況，卡爾-麥克奈爾給我打電話說，嘿，埃裡克，敵人，你為什麼不接受這份工作？

I say, No, I'm away for something that is, Ah, little less dire to show up.

我說，不，我是為了一些事情離開的，啊，不那麼可怕的事情出現。

So I guess you would know better to me, the question there is.

所以我想你會更瞭解我，問題有。

Had they offered, or did they have interest in other people in this situation and ended up with David Colleague because maybe those people did not have as much interest in the text?

他們曾提出，還是對這種情況下的其他人有興趣，最後和大衛-科萊格在一起，因為可能那些人對文字的興趣沒有那麼大？