I think my best that I was a human yellow light.

我想我最好的，我是一個人黃燈。

Okay, at my best, it's a house of horrors.

好吧，在我最好的時候，這是一個恐怖的房子。

When you when you got a lace them up against that guy faced each other 44 times, right?

當你當你有一個花邊他們對那個傢伙面對對方44次，對不對？

Hey, 1 24 of those battles.

嘿，其中有124場戰鬥。

Your team won 20 of those battles.

你的隊伍贏得了其中的20場戰鬥。

What was your mindset?

你的心態是什麼？

Just going into a game, You know, I'll never forget.

只是進入一個遊戲，你知道，我永遠不會忘記。

When the schedule comes out in August, you circle the date where the Lakers come to town.

當8月份的賽程表出來後，你圈定湖人隊來的日期。

And when you go to L.

而當你去L。

A.

A.

Because you know, those were long nights those long nights.

因為你知道，那些都是漫長的夜晚 那些漫長的夜晚。

I'll just never forget the feeling of driving a staple center in L.

我只是永遠不會忘記在L開主食中心的感覺。

A.

A.

And it's heaven, those butterflies in your stomach.

而這是天堂，那些蝴蝶在你的胃裡。

Because this dude, he was different.

因為這位老兄，他是與眾不同的。

And you never knew this was the night he decided.

你永遠不會知道這是他決定的夜晚。

You know what?

你知道嗎？

I'm gonna try to embarrass the guy garden, which I think he tried to do a lot.

我想讓這個傢伙園子難堪，我想他經常嘗試這樣做。

But of all the things I missed complain and the emotions and I missed my teammates and winning, But I missed that that anxiety I got one.

但所有的事情，我錯過了抱怨和情緒，我錯過了我的隊友和勝利，但我錯過了，焦慮，我得到了一個。

I had to stop try to stop Kobe.

我不得不停止試圖阻止科比。

He certainly took umbrage with anyone that was labeled a quote unquote Kobe stopper, and it feels like you kind of went out of your way to avoid that particular language.

他當然對任何被貼上引號的科比停球的人感到不滿，感覺你有點不惜一切代價來避免這種特殊的語言。

And we're almost kind of like killing him with kindness.

而我們幾乎有點像用善良殺死他。

Right when you were playing against that was my plan.

就在你對戰的時候，那是我的計劃。

Look, Kobe took the smallest slight is motivation.

你看，科比拿了一點小意思就是動力。

I tried Thio almost play like your and every time.

我試過Thio幾乎像你一樣玩，每次。

You know, I had a good game against Cohen and he missed a ton of shots.

你知道嗎，我和科恩打了一場好球，他失誤了一大堆。

I said, Man, he just missed shots.

我說，夥計，他只是失手。

I'm a lucky guy.

我是一個幸運的傢伙。

Kobe Bryant has 18 points, but he's getting nothing easy.

科比-布萊恩特得到18分，但他得到的並不輕鬆。

How are you able to make everything difficult for him tonight?

你怎麼能讓他今晚的一切都難受呢？

He's one of the greatest players of all time and trying to make good.

他是有史以來最偉大的球員之一，並努力使好。

I tried to be a passive and docile to him as possible.

我儘量做到被動地、溫順地對待他。

Inside I was I was, you know, a raging bull, and I wanted to beat him more than I wanted to be anybody.

我的內心是... ...我是一頭憤怒的公牛，我想打敗他，而不是我想成為任何人。

But I never wanted him to see me be aggressive or or take that challenge.

但我從來沒有想讓他看到我咄咄逼人的樣子，也沒有想讓他接受這種挑戰。

I thought that was my best way off.

我想這是我最好的辦法了。

Trying to guard him trying to stop him and that was passing.

想護著他想攔著他，那是通過。

I had never read his book Mamba mentality, and he actually dedicated a page to me, which, you know, it gives me goose bumps just thinking about it and talk about that game within the game within the game.

我從來沒有讀過他的《曼巴心態》一書，他居然專門給我寫了一頁，你知道，想到這裡我就渾身起雞皮疙瘩，說起那場比賽中的比賽。

And he knew that I was trying to be passed it, that I was trying toe downplay how bad I wanted to beat him.

他知道我是想通過它，我是想淡化我有多想打敗他。

And it makes that even that story from better that he knew that I knew that he knew, and I knew that he knew that I knew the mental, the mental gymnastics that we played the game of cat and mouse.

而這使得，即使那個故事從更好的，他知道，我知道，他知道，我知道，我知道的心理，心理體操，我們玩貓和老鼠的遊戲。

There was nothing like it from a physical standpoint, but even ah, higher level thinking mental game.

從體能的角度來說，沒有什麼比得上它，但即使是啊，更高層次的思維心理遊戲。

Was there anyone even remotely close that you had to guard it in your career that made you go through all of these things that you were going through to just try to match up with him?

在你的職業生涯中，是否有任何一個人甚至是你不得不守護它，讓你經歷了所有這些事情，你所經歷的只是試圖與他匹配？

Not on the mental level, you know, obviously guarded Tracy McGrady in his prime and Manu Ginobili, LeBron Carmelo Anthony guarded Iverson, you know, all like, physically, just unbelievable scores.

不是心理層面的，你知道，很明顯，在他的巔峰時期守住了特雷西-麥克格雷迪，馬努-吉諾比利，勒布朗-卡梅羅-安東尼守住了艾弗森，你知道，所有的人都喜歡，身體上，只是難以置信的分數。

None of those guys had had had this like Kobe did, and that's what took every ounce of my concentration and my effort and encourage really Thio try to stop him.

那些人都沒有像科比那樣有過這樣的經歷，那是我花了每一盎司的注意力和努力，鼓勵真的Thio試圖阻止他。

How many times did you make him become mawr?

你讓他變了多少次毛毛？

Inefficient than normally?

效率比平時低？

You already remember the ones that got away from, you know, 50 point games and SportsCenter.

你已經記得那些擺脫了，你知道，50分的遊戲和體育中心。

But I like to think over the course of my career, I made him work.

但我覺得在我的職業生涯中，我讓他成功了。

And if you look at the shop profile that he took, I think it was a little different against against me, a pretty good job of trying to keep him off the line and and just making hit shots.

而如果你看他拍的店面資料，我覺得對陣我的時候有點不一樣，很好的把他擋在了線外，而且只是做了命中的投籃。

And so he had some big games.

所以他有一些大場面。

He had some games where that's the great, you know, I'll never forget the game when I played for the Rockets, knew the 22 game winning street, and I knew Kobe was coming to Houston to end the street.

他有一些比賽，那是偉大的，你知道，我永遠不會忘記我為火箭隊打球時的比賽，知道22場比賽的勝利街道，我知道科比要來休斯頓結束街道。

Pau Gasol was out that game, so I'm like, Oh Lord, this dude is going to shoot the ball 40 times and that was the famous hand in the face game.

波-加索爾那場比賽出局了，所以我就想，哦，天啊，這哥們要投40次球，這就是著名的手撕比賽。

And that's where you know, E had always done that my entire career.

而這也是你知道的，E在我的整個職業生涯中一直都是這樣做的。

But the hand of the face.

但面的手。

Or that's where I gained fame.

或者說，我就是在這裡獲得了名氣。

And you know, Kobe.

而你知道，科比。

He left it all out there.

他把這一切都留在了那裡。

I've never been this tired after that game.

那場比賽後，我從來沒有這麼累過。

Azad was that day and I think he scored 20 something points.

阿扎德那天，我想他得了20多分。

We took a time on the shots.

我們花了時間在拍攝上。

We won the game and that's all I cared about and s.

我們贏得了比賽，這就是我所關心的和S。

So that was one day with the process.

所以這就是一天的過程。

It worked.

它的工作。

I try not to get caught up in the results, but I was happy with the results that day.

我儘量不糾結於結果，但我對那天的結果很滿意。

The hand in the face was certainly your patent and move.

臉上的手當然是你的專利和舉動。

How did he react to that the first time you implemented it against him?

你第一次對他實施的時候，他有什麼反應？

Kobe was such an amazing competitors.

科比就是這樣一個了不起的競爭對手。

He did not think that anything could affect him, right.

他不認為有什麼能影響到他吧。

And and so I tried to use that against him because, like I was, you know, I was just kind of black, the vision.

所以我試圖利用這一點來對付他，因為，就像我，你知道，我只是一種黑色的，視覺。

But for Kobe, I knew that the only way he could prove that the hand in the face wouldn't work was to take more dribble jumpers, which was, you know, statistically his his his weakest shot on the par it was still, you know, 44 45% shot.

但對於科比來說，我知道他唯一能證明手在臉上不起作用的方法就是多采取運球跳投，這是，你知道，從數據上看，他的他的他的最弱的一杆，它仍然是，你知道，44 45%的投籃。

I would just still like that.

我就還是喜歡這樣。

Yeah, 10, A league, whatever.

是啊，10個，A聯賽，什麼都好。

But that is not like these other shots he takes at the rim in transition at the future.

但這和他在未來過渡時在籃板上的這些其他投籃不一樣。

A lion.

一頭獅子

And so all I want to do is kind of just push that.

所以我想做的就是那種只推。

But enough to say, You know what, Kobe?

但足以說明，你知道嗎，科比？

Without telling him we never talked trash.

沒有告訴他，我們從來沒有說過廢話。

I said, you know, try to beat the hand in the face and and he did, and he did.

我說，你知道，試著用手打臉，他也打了，他也打了。

And sometimes he didn't beat the hand of the face.

有時候他也不打臉的手。

So you're telling me he never engaged with you As far as trash talk was concerned, we never talked.

所以你是說他從來沒有和你交往過 至於垃圾話，我們從來沒有談過。

I've never had a conversation with Kobe outside the arena.

我從來沒有和科比在場外交談過。

And, um, it was, I think was part of that mental game.

而且，嗯，這是，我認為是心理遊戲的一部分。

Now, now, some Sundays, Kobe would come up to me before the game can get big hug and, like, smile and like, Like, tell a joke.

現在，現在，有些星期天，科比會在比賽前走到我面前，可以得到一個大大的擁抱，然後，像，微笑，像，講一個笑話。

And the next day I play him.

第二天我就和他玩。

He'd be cold as ice.

他會像冰一樣冷。

He wouldn't even look at me, wouldn't shake my hand before the game.

他連看都不看我一眼，比賽前也不和我握手。

And that was the mental game that we play with each other s o I never I never engaged him.

這就是我們彼此之間玩的心理遊戲 我從來沒有... ...我從來沒有和他交往過。

I never tried to engage him.

我從來沒有試圖與他接觸。

I never tried to butter him up.

我從來沒有試圖討好他。

I never tried toe around him up.

我從來沒有試過用腳趾頭繞過他。

I literally just, uh, tried to do the old rope a dope.

我真的只是，呃，想把老繩子弄成一個笨蛋。

And that was my best technique.

而這是我最好的技術。

Is there any story that you remember even though it wasn't you necessarily engaging with him?

有沒有什麼故事是你記得的，即使不是你一定要和他交往？

That story I ever heard from Mike Miller when he played with T.

這個故事我聽過邁克-米勒和T打球時的故事。

Mac and in Orlando Team Act was just torching coaching this game.

麥克和在奧蘭多隊法只是火炬執教這場比賽。

I think he had, like, like, 30 points through three quarters.

我覺得他三節就得了30分。

So in the fourth quarter, uh, they shouldn't three throw e think team AC three throw and Kobe turns to Mike Miller and says, You know what the difference between me and him is.

所以在第四節，呃，他們不應該三投e想隊AC三投，科比轉身對邁克-米勒說，你知道我和他之間的區別是什麼嗎？

He's done.

他完成了。

I'm just getting started.

我才剛剛開始。

Kobe goes on to score like 20 in the quarter and, like, wins the game going away, and I'm just like, that's the greatest story ever heard of all time.

科比繼續得分像20在本節和一樣，贏得了比賽去了，我只是想，這是最偉大的故事聽說過所有的時間。

You know, that's type of dude.

你知道嗎，那是一種花花公子的類型。

Kobe was bad.

科比很糟糕。

I mean, very few guys who could tell that story would pull it off.

我是說，很少有人能講出那個故事，會把它講完。

What was it like to face him in the playoffs?

在季後賽面對他是什麼感覺？

And how did your preparation, change if at all.

你的準備工作，又是如何改變的，如果在所有。

There was no better challenge.

沒有更好的挑戰了。

There's no better challenge and and that's that's why you play as a competitor, er and trying to figure this this guy out.

沒有更好的挑戰，這就是為什麼你作為一個競爭者玩，呃，並試圖找出這個這個傢伙。

Like I said, we took those guys seven games.

就像我說的，我們帶著這些人打了七場比賽。

That was the art test team, right that he played with you that year.

那是藝考隊，沒錯，當年他和你一起打過球。

So that was the elbow.

所以那是肘部。

Siri's correct.

Siri的正確。

As much as I tried to be, be passive and and try to play the old, you know, rope a dope.

雖然我試圖成為，被動和 並試圖發揮舊的，你知道，繩子一個塗料。

Ron was just the opposite.

羅恩正好相反。

Alright, Ron, like to get in there and stir things up and, you know, he's like Kobe.

好吧，羅恩，喜歡在那裡挑起事端，你知道，他就像科比。

No.

不知道

Like, Hey, I'm here, I'm here, We're not going anywhere.

就像，嘿，我在這裡，我在這裡，我們哪裡也不去。

And that's what I love about Iran.

這就是我喜歡伊朗的原因。

He was afraid of anybody.

他怕任何人。

You saw enough after that.

你看夠了之後。

Siri's that it compelled to go play the Lakers next year again.

Siri的，它蠱惑明年再去打湖人。

I know you don't like the term Kobe stoppers, but the guys that defending him did you guys ever talk about?

我知道你不喜歡科比擋拆這個詞，但是那些維護他的人你們說過嗎？

He exchanges you had guarding him.

他交換了你對他的守護。

First of all, I would never call myself a Kobe stopper.

首先，我永遠不會稱自己為科比的阻止者。

I think my best that I was a human yellow light.

我想我最好的，我是一個人黃燈。

Okay, at my best, it's a house of horrors when you when you got a lace him up against that guy.

好吧，在我最好的情況下，這是一個恐怖的房子，當你當你有一個花邊他對那個傢伙。

And so unless you try to relive those memories, the better.

所以除非你試圖重溫那些記憶，否則越好。

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感謝您在YouTube上觀看ESPN的體育直播和優質內容。

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訂閱Thio、ESPN，加。