WELCOME BACK.

歡迎回來。

WE'RE BACK WITH THE CO-HOSTS OF "POD SAVE AMERICA," JON LOVETT,

我們又回到了 "POD拯救美國 "的共同主持人JON LOVETT身邊。

TOMMY VIETOR, AND JON FAVREAU.

TOMMY VIETOR, 和JON FAVREAU.

TOMMY, LAST MONTH, I HAD A CHANCE TO INTERVIEW

TOMMY，上個月，我有機會採訪了。

THEN-PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN, AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT HIS ABILITY TO

時任總統當選人比登，我問他是否有能力做到。

SORT OF CHANGE THE TONE AND GET ANYTHING DONE IN WASHINGTON.

某種程度上改變了基調，並得到任何事情在華盛頓完成。

AND HE SAID THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT'S IMPACT ON THE BODY

他說，前任總統對身體的影響是什麼？

POLITIC WILL FADE.

政治將消失。

REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO FEEL THEY HAVE MUCH MORE ROOM TO RUN

共和黨人將感到他們有更多的空間來運行。

AND COOPERATE.

和合作。

DO YOU AGREE?

你同意嗎？

DO YOU THINK HIS INFLUENCE IS GOING TO FADE AND THE

你覺得他的影響力會消失嗎？

REPUBLICANS WILL BE WILLING TO WORK ON ANYTHING TOGETHER WITH

共和黨人將願意與任何事情合作。

THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION?

比登政府？

>> I HOPE PRESIDENT BIDEN IS RIGHT.

>> 我希望比登總統是對的。

I'M WORRIED IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.

我擔心它比這更復雜一點

I THINK THAT TRUMP EMBOLDENED, LIKE, THIS RACIST, NATIONALIST,

我認為，特朗普凸顯， 像，這個種族主義者，民族主義。

PARANOID FACTION OF THE COUNTRY, AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE

國家的副熱帶植物群落，以及絕大多數的生物多樣性。

REPUBLICAN PARTY JUST KIND OF SHRUGGED AT IT.

共和黨只是有點猶豫不決。

AND I THINK TRUMP-- HE CONSTRUCTED HIS OWN REALITY.

我認為特朗普... 他創造了自己的現實。

AND IF YOU DISAGREED WITH TRUMP, YOU WERE TREATED LIKE THE ENEMY.

如果你不同意特朗普的觀點，你就會被當作敵人對待。

AND SO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BECAME THE CULT OF TRUMP.

所以共和黨成為了特朗普的文化。

AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF COURAGE AND A LOT OF

我想這需要很大的勇氣和很多的時間。

TRUTH-TELLING BY REPUBLICANS TO CHANGE THAT.

共和黨人講真話，以改變這種狀況。

AND SO FAR, WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM REPUBLICANS, LIKE TED CRUZ

到目前為止，我們所看到的 共和黨人，如特德-克魯茲。

AND JOSH HAULY AND KEVIN McCARTHY, IS THAT THEY ARE

而JOSH HAULY和KEVIN McCARTHY，就是他們的名字。

SCARED OF CROSSING TRUMP.

害怕越過特朗普。

THEY'RE SCARED OF ANGERING THAT MAGA BASE.

他們害怕激怒那個馬加爵基地。

AND THEY'RE NOT ALL THAT INTO TRUTH-TELLING.

而且他們也不是那麼喜歡說真話。

I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THE FEVER BREAKING ANY TIME SOON.

我有點擔心隨時會發燒。

>> Stephen: BUT ISN'T ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH A CONSTRUCTED

>> 斯蒂芬: 但這不正是一個結構化的問題之一嗎？

REALITY IS THAT IT'S A SOAP BUBBLE.

現實是，這是一個肥皂泡。

IF YOU TEST IT, IT JUST POPS IMMEDIATELY.

如果你測試它，它只是立即彈出。

FOR INSTANCE, I MEAN, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE

我的意思是說，有成千上萬的人相信

IN-- IN "Q," AND THE THEORIES OF QANON, BUT IT TURNS OUT THE

在... 在 "Q"，和理論的卡農，但它原來是在。

MILITARY ISN'T SECRETLY GOING TO TURN ON ALL THE DEMOCRATS AND

軍方不會祕密地去對付所有的民主黨人和

ARREST THEM AND DONALD TRUMP WILL ASCEND AS GOD KING ON A

逮捕他們，唐納德-特朗普就會以神王的身份降臨。

THRONE AND SAVE EVERYONE IN THE WORLD.

THRONE和拯救世界上的任何人。

THAT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IS BREAKING THE HEART OF PEOPLE

這實際上是一件讓人心碎的事情。

OUT■ç THERE ONLINE TODAY.

出■■■，今天在線有。

LIKE, ISN'T THERE SOME HOPE THAT IF YOU ARE CREATING SUCH A

就像，是不是有一些希望，如果你正在創造這樣一個。

STRANGE AND EXTREME REALITY, THAT IT CAN'T SURVIVE ONCE THE

詭異而極端的現實，它不能生存，一旦它是。

SUPPOSED ALL-POWERFUL PERSON AT THE TOP IS GONE?

假設上層的全能人物走了？

>> I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> 我希望你是對的。

I MEAN, LISTEN, I THINK THAT-- I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THOSE

我是說，聽我說，我想... 我有點擔心那些東西

QANON ADHERNTS FINDING THE NEXT CONSPIRACY AND FOLLOWING THAT,■ç

QANON ADHERNTS發現下一個陰謀，並緊隨其後，■ç。

AND NOT NECESSARILY SNAPPING BACK TO REALITY LIKE WE HOPE.

而不是像我們所希望的那樣，必須儘快回到現實中去。

I HOPE PRESIDENT BIDEN IS RIGHT.

我希望比登總統是對的。

I HOPE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF STUFF DONE, BUT I

我希望我們能完成很多工作，但我... ...

WORRY.

擔心。

I WORRY A LOT.

我很擔心

>> Stephen: WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE, A COUPLE OF WHOM YOU

>> 史蒂芬：那些人呢？

JUST MENTIONED.

剛剛提到的。

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK WILL HAPPEN WITH JOSH HAWL, "OR TED

你們覺得喬什-霍爾或泰德會怎麼樣？

CRUZ, OR MO BROOKS, THE PEOPLE WHO SUBORNED THE SEDITION?

克魯茲，還是莫-布魯克，是誰屈服於順位的人？

>> THEY'LL RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

>> 他們將競選總統。

( LAUGHTER ) THAT'S WHAT JOSH HAWLEY AND TED

這就是喬什-霍利和泰德的事。

CRUZ WILL DO.

克魯茲會做。

>> Stephen: IS THERE ANY PRICE TO BE PAID THERE?

>> Stephen:那裡有什麼價格嗎？

>> THERE'S A PRICE TO BE PAID FOR REPUBLICANS WHO ARE EITHER

>> 共和黨人要付出一定的代價，他們要麼是。

IN STATES THAT ARE PURPLE OR BLUE OR REPUBLICAN HOUSE MEMBERS

在紫色或藍色的州或共和黨眾議院成員中

WHO ARE IN DISTRICTS THAT ARE COMPETITIVE.

哪些人在有競爭力的地區？

BUT UNTIL WE DON'T HAVE GERRYMANDERED DISTRICTS WHERE

但在我們沒有 GERRYMANDERED DRAINDS的地方

REPUBLICANS ARE MORE AFRAID OF A PRIMARY CHALLENGE FROM THE RIGHT

共和黨人更害怕來自右派的首要挑戰。

THAN THEY ARE OF A GENERAL ELECTION OPPONENT WHO IS A

比一般選舉的候選人更為重要。

DEMOCRAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THIS SAME PLACE.

民主黨人，我們會在這個地方。

SO CAN JOE BIDEN PICK OFF A FEW REASONABLE REPUBLICANS ON A

所以，喬-比登能不能挑出幾個有理智的共和黨人，讓他們上場呢？

PIECE OF LEGISLATION HERE AND THERE?

在這裡和那裡的一塊立法？

I SURE HOPE SO.

I SURE HOPE SO.

BUT THE PARTY HAS BEEN RADICALIZED.

但該黨已經被激化了。

THE BASE IS RADICALIZED.

基地被輻射化了。

AND THREAF BEEN RADICALIZED NOT JUST BY TED CRUZ AND JOSH HAWLEY

而且已經被激化了 不僅僅是泰德-克魯茲和喬什-霍利。

BUT FOX NEWS, AND RUSH LIMBAUGH.

但福克斯新聞，和RUSH LIMBAUGH。

AND AS LONG AS THAT EXISTS IN RADICALIZING THIS BASE, WE'RE

只要它存在於這個基礎上，我們就是

GOING TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM.

要有這個問題。

>> Stephen: WELL, YOU GUYS HAVE SPENT THE LAST FOUR YEARS

>> Stephen:好吧，你們花了四年的時間

DOING "POD SAVE AMERICA" AND BUILDING A POD EMPIRE THROUGH

做 "POD拯救美國 "並通過建立一個POD帝國。

"CROOKED MEDIA."

"CROOKED媒體。"

I'M SURE THERE WERE SOME LOW POINTS WHEN YOU THOUGHT MAYBE,

我相信在你認為可能的時候，肯定有一些谷底。

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO POD SAVE ANYTHING.

你知道，我們不打算保存任何東西。

BUT NOW THAT PART OF YOUR GOAL HAS BEEN ACHIEVED BY ENGAGING

但現在，你的目標的一部分已經通過參與來實現了。

THE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS TO GO OUT THERE AND CAST THEIR VOTES,

民主黨的選民走出去投票。

WHAT'S NEXT NOW THAT THERE'S A DEMOCRAT BACK IN OFFICE?

現在民主黨人重新上臺了，下一步是什麼？

WHENCE GO THE POD SAVERS?

拯救者去哪了？

>> LOOK, I THINK WE FELT INCREDIBLY LUCKY TO BE IN THE

>> 聽著，我覺得我們非常幸運，能在這裡。

FIGHT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORKED INCREDIBLY HARD OVER THE

和很多人一起戰鬥，他們在過去的日子裡付出了巨大的努力。

LAST FOUR YEARS.

過去四年。

FOR ME, WHEN-- WHEN THINGS WERE DARKEST, WHEN THINGS WERE VERY

對我來說，當... 當事情最黑暗的時候，當事情很糟糕的時候...

BAD, I WASN'T JUST HOPEFUL THAT THERE WOULD BE A LAST DAY TRUMP

壞了，我不只是希望有一個最後一天的特朗普。

WAS PRESIDENT.

曾任主席。

I WAS HOPEFUL THERE WOULD BE A LAST DAY TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT,

我曾希望特朗普當總統的最後一天能出現。

AND WE'D ALL STILL BE PAYING ATTENTION.

而我們仍然會注意。

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME, IT WOULDN'T BE JUST ABOUT

長久以來第一次，它不只是關於... ...

WHAT WE STOPPED BUT ACTUALLY ABOUT DOING SOME GOOD.

我們停止了什麼，但實際上是為了做一些好事。

AND NOW WE WON THE HOUSE.

現在我們贏得了眾議院。

WE TOOK THE GAVEL FROM PAUL RYAN.

我們從PAUL RYAN那裡拿到了GAVEL。

WE BEAT MITCH McCONNELL, TOOK THE SENATE, WON THE WHITE HOUSE.

我們打敗了米奇・麥康奈爾，拿下了參議院，贏得了白宮。

NOW WE HAVE A CHANCE TO DO SOME GOOD IF WE KEEP PAYING ATTENTION

現在我們有機會做一些好事，如果我們繼續注意的話

AND WE KEEP FIGHTING.

我們繼續戰鬥。

>> Stephen: THANKS, GUYS.

>> Stephen:謝謝你，夥計們。

>> THANK YOU.

>> 謝謝你。

>> THANK YOU.

>> 謝謝你。

>> Stephen: NEW EPISODES OF "POD SAVE AMERICA" ARE RELEASED

>> Stephen:"POD拯救美國 "新劇集發佈

MONDAYS AND THURSDAYS.

星期一和星期四：

JON FAVREAU, JON LOVETT, AND TOMMY VIETOR, EVERYBODY!

JON FAVREAU, JON LOVETT, 和TOMMY VIETOR, 每個人!

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH A SPECIL PERFORMANCE OF

我們會馬上回來，用SPECIL表演的

"TOGETHER."

"在一起"。