It doesn't stop folks.

這並不能阻止人們。

The four time NBA champion is also a four time M v p a four time NBA Finals.

四屆NBA總冠軍也是四屆M v p四屆NBA總決賽。

M v P.

M v P.

Winning 1/5 NBA championship would tie him with the likes of Magic Johnson in the late great Kobe Bean.

奪得1/5NBA總冠軍，他將與魔術師約翰遜等人並列於已故偉大的科比豆。

Bryant Max Europe First with 1/5 MBA title.

布萊恩特-麥克斯歐洲第一以1/5的MBA冠軍。

Give LeBron goat status.

給勒布朗山羊地位。

I'm talking M.

我說的是M。

J Michael Jordan.

J 邁克爾-喬丹。

His Airness goat status?

他的氣質山羊身份？

No, LeBron's already got the career argument.

不，勒布朗已經有了職業生涯的說法。

It's either him or Kareem and I think, for in the pros in the n B A.

要麼是他，要麼是卡里姆，我想，對於在職業球員中的n B A。

Considering how LeBron still playing at his age, it's LeBron Peak is Jordan, and I don't see where LeBron's gonna elevate his peak over Jordan.

考慮到勒布朗這個年齡還在打球，那就是勒布朗巔峰就是喬丹，我看不出勒布朗的巔峰要比喬丹提升在哪裡。

When we talk about greatest guys, I don't think we just mean add up all the wind shares by the end of the career.

當我們談論最偉大的人時，我想我們不僅僅是指把職業生涯結束時的所有風股加起來。

And who is worth more wins, right?

那誰更值錢贏了吧？

I don't think that's what we're talking about mainly.

我想我們主要說的不是這個。

Nor do I think it's just a guy who had one season.

我也不認為這只是一個有一個賽季的人。

Oh my God, he was all world.

哦，我的上帝，他是所有的世界。

He was good as anyone I've ever seen, Bill Walton or something.

他和我見過的任何人一樣好，比爾-沃爾頓什麼的。

I don't think that's what we're talking about.

我不認為這是我們在談論什麼。

We're talking about a guy who's prime, who concentrated the highest level of performance over a significant number of years when they were at their best, like and how, how long did their best last?

我們說的是一個人的黃金時期，他們在相當長的時間裡集中了最高水準的表現，當他們處於最佳狀態的時候，比如，他們的最佳狀態持續了多久？

That's the best basketball ever played, right?

這就是最好的籃球，對吧？

So in baseball, if you said who is the greatest pitcher ever, you're a very good argument for Sandy Koufax.

所以在棒球界，如果你說誰是史上最偉大的投手，你是一個非常好的論據，桑迪-庫法克斯。

He only had four prime years, but one after another.

他只有四個黃金年，但一個接一個。

No one ever did it like that.

從來沒有人這樣做。

I think that's really what we're talking about when we say the best.

我想這才是我們所說的真正的最好的。

Whoever did it in sports and Michael Jordan's prime guys the first time.

誰在體育界和邁克爾-喬丹的黃金人第一次做了。

The first time Jordan played with another All Star with Scottie Pippen, he took the Piston seven games pimping out of migration in Game seven.

喬丹第一次和另一位全明星與斯科蒂-皮蓬一起打球時，他在第七場比賽中帶著活塞七場拉皮條出移民。

Scored two points in 40 minutes.

40分鐘內得了2分。

So they lost.

所以他們輸了。

He never didn't win the finals again in under seven games.

他再也沒有在7場以下的比賽中贏得總決賽。

Understand?

明白了嗎？

Every time you gave here Jordan, here's an All Star.

每次你給這裡的喬丹，這裡的全明星。

He won the finals in under seven games and put up numbers that likes we've never seen right and was an all world defender.

他在不到七場比賽中就贏得了總決賽，並且打出了我們從來沒有見過的數據，而且是一個全能型的後衛。

He's the greatest of all time.

他是有史以來最偉大的。

I don't think LeBron can catch him.

我不認為勒布朗能抓住他。

Well, Max, you're just moving the goalpost for your narrative again.

好吧，麥克斯，你又在轉移你敘述的目標。

You can't just say come up with that logic and say This is why he's the greatest of all time.

你不能只是說拿出這個邏輯，說這就是為什麼他是最偉大的。

Maybe LeBron James is still going.

也許勒布朗-詹姆斯還能去。

He's still at his best, even at the age of 36.

即使到了36歲，他仍然處於最佳狀態。

He still let his best.

他還是讓他最好的。

And here's the problem that I have when we talk about the game of basketball.

當我們談論籃球比賽的時候，我的問題就在這裡。

Last time I check the game of basketball was a team sport.

上次我檢查籃球比賽是一項團隊運動。

This is not boxing.

這不是拳擊。

This is not golf.

這不是高爾夫。

This is not tennis.

這不是網球。

What rings and championships define your legacy?

哪些戒指和冠軍定義了你的遺產？

Yeah, it helps your legacy, but it don't define your greatness.

是啊，它有助於你的遺產，但它不定義你的偉大。

How about the individual accolades?

個人榮譽呢？

Because you could be on the team that just don't have the pieces.

因為你可能在隊伍裡，只是沒有碎片。

And you could be doing more than your part, which LeBron James has been doing this entire career.

而你可以做的比你的部分更多，勒布朗-詹姆斯在整個職業生涯中一直在做。

And I didn't even want to get into this goat debate because I already know you too, old haters.

而我根本不想進入這場山羊的辯論，因為我也已經認識你了，老仇人。

I know how you all act.

我知道你們的行為。

All know it's nothing that he could do.

所有的人都知道這是他做不到的。

Not a damn thing.

什麼都沒有

I'm just waiting for you, Steven.

我只是在等你，史蒂芬。

And I can't see you today because I don't even have my monitor a matter of fact, I don't even want to see your face right now.

而我今天看不到你，因為我連顯示器都沒有......事實上，我現在甚至不想看到你的臉。

But at the end of the day, I said this again.

但到了最後，我又說了這句話。

I said this on and I'm gonna say it again.

我說過了，我再說一遍。

I'm gonna say it again.

我再說一遍

LeBron James and Michael Jordan are sitting at the same dinner table.

勒布朗-詹姆斯和邁克爾-喬丹坐在同一張餐桌上。

Some people like the drinks, drinks a rock.

有的人喜歡喝酒，喝的是石頭。

Others like the drink.

其他人喜歡喝。

Hennessy, I'm a Hennessy type guy.

軒尼詩，我是一個軒尼詩型的人。

I'm ahead of C do I'm ahead to see, Dude, that's that's that's fair enough.

我先於C做我先看，哥們兒，那是那是，很公平。

And listen, stop lying because you always love to see my face.

聽著，別再撒謊了，因為你總是喜歡看我的臉。

Just stop lying.

別再撒謊了

Stop lying, Big boy.

別再撒謊了，大男孩。

Stop lying.

別再撒謊了

That's number one.

這是第一。

Number two.

二號

You are absolutely right.

你說的很對。

There's nothing that's gonna change my mind To me, Michael Jordan is the greatest of all time.

對我來說，邁克爾-喬丹是最偉大的。

But him and LeBron James sitting at the same table LeBron James is on the Mount Rushmore of basketball, one of the top four players in the history of basketball.

但他和勒布朗-詹姆斯坐在同一張桌子上勒布朗-詹姆斯是籃球界的拉什莫爾山，籃球史上的四大球星之一。

There is no question about that and and listen, God forbid, I don't say that LeBron is number one.

這是毫無疑問的，而且聽著，上帝保佑，我不說勒布朗是第一。

I mean, what's the greatest insult in the planet?

我是說，這個星球上最大的侮辱是什麼？

Because some of the folks in this camp that's how they treated him number two instead of number one.

因為這個陣營的一些人就是這樣對待他二號而不是一號。

What blasphemy are you spewing?

你在噴什麼褻瀆神明？

But I think it's something to be said about the road that you travel to get there.

但我覺得，你走過的路，要走到那裡去，這是有講究的。

I think that the year, the things that LeBron had to endure before you ultimately got to that point psychologically, mentally, emotionally.

我想，這一年，勒布朗所要承受的事情，你最終才會在心理上、精神上、情感上達到那個地步。

I think there's something to be said for that.

我想這是有道理的。

I'm thinking about the scoring championships of Michael Jordan, the MBA championships of Michael Jordan, the killer instinct that was Michael Jordan.

我在想邁克爾-喬丹的得分冠軍，邁克爾-喬丹的MBA冠軍，邁克爾-喬丹的殺手本能。

All of those things come into consideration for me, and so when I look at LeBron, it's no disrespect whatsoever.

所有這些東西都會被我考慮進去，所以當我看勒布朗的時候，並不是不尊重他。

I think he's the greatest in the game today.

我認為他是當今遊戲中最偉大的。

I think he's the greatest in the history of basketball outside of Michael Jordan.

我認為他是籃球史上最偉大的，除了邁克爾-喬丹之外。

But if I had to take LeBron at his best and I don't hold him all those championship losses against him, even though he lost six, I don't I don't blame him for losing to the Spurs in 2000 and seven.

但如果非要拿勒布朗最好的時候來說，我並不把那些輸掉的總冠軍都歸咎於他，即使他輸掉了6個，但我不我不怪他在2000年和7年輸給馬刺。

I don't blame him losing for the Spurs in 2000 and 14.

2000年和14年，我不怪他為馬刺隊輸球。

I don't blame him for losing Tu que Me and Golden State.

我不怪他失去了Tu que Me和金州。

I understand what he was working against But in the end, all I'm saying is when I take LeBron at his best and I take Michael Jordan at his best, I would want Michael Jordan every day and twice on Sunday on Lee.

我明白他的工作對手是什麼但最後，我想說的是，當我把勒布朗在他最好的時候，我把邁克爾-喬丹在他最好的時候，我會每天都想要邁克爾-喬丹，週日在李上兩次。

I mean over LeBron James.

我是說在勒布朗-詹姆斯身上。

And that is the only person that I would want over LeBron James in the history of basketball.

而這也是籃球史上，我唯一想要的人，而不是勒布朗-詹姆斯。

I don't find that to be insulting Stephen.

我不覺得這是在侮辱斯蒂芬。

A is right perk.

A是正確的養生。

I mean I mean brought on.

我的意思是我的意思是帶來的。

I mean, only Brown had to go against more Hall of Famers, but carry on your good.

我的意思是，只有布朗不得不去對抗更多的名人堂成員，但繼續你的好。

Go ahead, Max.

說吧, Max.

You could talk about you.

你可以談談你。

Could you could do that.

你能不能做到這一點。

I could use I Can you hold on, Max?

我可以用 "我"，你能堅持住嗎，麥克斯？

I can use the culture of the game today compared to what it waas in the eighties and stuff like that.

我可以用今天的遊戲文化與80年代的was相比，等等這些東西。

The roughhouse tactics, the rules, how soft it's become over the years I could bring that up way You do not want a hall of Fame, dio you don't wanna be Oh, you don't wanna you don't wanna bring up you don't wanna bring up John Hunter Second and Thunder Day and again and LeBron facing k d e o Go there you right, E o thunder.

粗暴的戰術，規則，這些年變得多麼軟弱，我可以提出來，你不希望有一個名人堂，迪奧你不想成為哦，你不想你不想提起約翰-亨特第二和雷霆日，再次和勒布朗面對k d e o去那裡你是對的，E o雷霆。

Danubio, you can about basketball babies.

達努比奧，你可以關於籃球寶貝。

I'm talking about basketball in the eighties.

我說的是八十年代的籃球。

Don't act like you don't know.

別裝作你不知道。

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

你知道我在說什麼。

What the kitchen purposes with this cotton.

廚房的目的是什麼，用這個棉。

Get basketball in the side of the ball.

讓籃球在球的一側。

Don't start that.

不要開始那個。

You don't see Oh that.

你沒看到哦，那個。

You don't need to give Jordan extra credit for that.

你不需要給喬丹額外的榮譽。

Don't give Jordan any extra credit for that.

不要給喬丹任何額外的榮譽。

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謝謝你在YouTube上觀看ESPN。

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對於體育直播和優質內容。

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訂閱ESPN，加。