Hey, guys, I'm not coming with malice.

嘿，夥計們，我不是帶著惡意來的。

Uh, let's get along.

呃，讓我們相處。

You know, like I'm not trying to diss anybody or say anything.

你知道，就像我沒有試圖 diss任何人或說什麼。

I'm just trying to do my job.

我只是想做好我的工作。

Can we just get along?

我們能不能好好相處？

But I got to say it because you're asking me point blank.

但我必須說出來，因為你是在問我。

Is he making sense?

他說的有道理嗎？

Nope.

不對

He's not making sense.

他說的沒有道理。

I'm not sure what he means.

我不知道他是什麼意思。

I didn't like I don't know what idea he was trying to articulate.

我不喜歡我不知道他想表達什麼想法。

I understand he doesn't want distractions, but in fact, stonewalling the media creates more distractions.

我明白他不想讓人分心，但事實上，搪塞媒體會造成更多的分心。

And then when he went off on this thing about artists and platform safe and secure, let's break this down for a second before we even get to whether basketball players an artist, because I think you can absolutely make a case.

然後當他去了關於藝術家和平臺安全可靠的這件事，讓我們在討論籃球運動員是否是藝術家之前，先把這件事分解一下，因為我覺得你絕對可以做一個案例。

They are that art is kind of like what they've achieved at a certain point, Um, when he says safe and secure, is he talking about health?

他們是藝術有點像他們在某一階段所取得的成就，嗯，當他說安全可靠的時候，他說的是健康嗎？

Is he talking about co vid?

他說的是co vid嗎？

Is he talking about some physical danger?

他說的是一些身體上的危險嗎？

I didn't think so, but maybe because it was unclear what he said is I frequently find when he, when he speaks in public or releases the statement.

我不這麼認為，但也許是因為不清楚他說了什麼是我經常發現，當他，當他在公開場合發言或發佈聲明時。

I don't find it clear.

我覺得不清楚。

So let's assume for a second that he's not talking about a safe and secure platform.

所以我們先假設他說的不是一個安全可靠的平臺。

Foreign artist.

外國藝術家。

Let's say he's talking about some other kind of safe and secure thing like the way college sophomores might talk about PC safe spaces, right?

比方說他說的是別的什麼安全保障的東西，就像大學二年級學生可能說的PC安全空間一樣，對吧？

Something like that.

類似的東西。

I mean, if that's the case.

我的意思是，如果是這樣的話。

Kyra, I got no problem with Kyrie considering himself an artist.

凱拉，我對凱里認為自己是藝術家沒有意見。

If you watch him play, you know that that's just you know it when you see it.

如果你看他打球，你就知道，那只是你看到就知道了。

That guy is amazing toe watch, and if you want to say he elevates basketball toe art, I get it.

這傢伙是驚人的腳趾看，如果你想說他提升了籃球腳趾藝術，我明白。

I agree, Um, but when artists put out it's self expression, you know, examples of their self expression into the world.

我同意，嗯，但當藝術家把它的自我表達，你知道，他們的自我表達的例子到世界。

They express themselves here.

他們在這裡表達自己。

Here's what I got that's open to interpretation, criticism, critique.

這是我得到的，可以解釋、責備、批判。

It's not all just like positivity or whatever Kyrie thinks it's supposed to be about.

並不是所有的人都只喜歡積極向上或者是凱里認為的那樣。

There will be a lot of it about his play because it's sensational.

關於他的發揮會有很多，因為這很轟動。

Kyrie might be the best show in sports, but there's also going to be critique of it and if that means that it's not a safe and secure platform foreign artist, then we just disagree.

凱里可能是體育界最好的節目，但也會有人對它進行批判，如果這意味著它不是一個安全可靠的平臺外國藝人，那麼我們就是不同意。

But Stephen, as is usually the case when Kyrie puts out a statement, I don't find it a clear statement with which I can definitively say that I disagree with this because I'm not sure that's what he meant.

但是斯蒂芬，就像通常凱里發表聲明時的情況一樣，我不覺得這是一個明確的聲明，我可以明確地說，我不同意這個說法，因為我不確定他是這個意思。

If he's talking about being physically safe and secure because a cove in Kyrie I'm with you.

如果他說的是身體上的安全和保障，因為凱里的一個海灣，我支持你。

If you're talking about this other thing, then if I'm understanding you correctly, I just disagree based on the content of your point.

如果你說的是另外一件事，那麼如果我沒有理解錯的話，我只是根據你的觀點內容不同意。

Mhm.

嗯

I don't mean it the way that Kyrie would probably take it, but I hope he's listening when I say this.

我的意思不是說凱里可能會接受的方式，但我希望我說這話的時候他能聽進去。

Somebody he respected and loved and idolized was Kobe Bryant.

他尊敬和愛戴的人，偶像是科比-布萊恩特。

I don't think Kobe Bryant would be happy about some of the convoluted things that you just alluded to, and I only mean that respectfully towards Kyrie Irving, in this sense, whatever you have to say, be clear.

我不認為科比-布萊恩特會對你剛才提到的一些錯綜複雜的事情感到高興，我只是對凱里-歐文表示尊重，從這個意義上說，無論你要說什麼，都要說清楚。

As you said Max, not cryptic, not ambiguous or anything like that.

就像你說的馬克斯，不隱晦，不含糊，或者類似的東西。

Be clear.

說清楚點

That's all I'm talking about.

這就是我說的全部。

When I talk about Kobe Bryant would be disappointed.

當我說起科比-布萊恩特會很失望。

Max Kellerman, you worked in L.

麥克斯-凱勒曼，你在L公司工作。

A.

A.

We all know how I knew Kobe and the media knew Kobe.

我們都知道我是怎麼認識科比的，媒體是怎麼認識科比的。

Kobe was one of the most articulate brothers, one of the most brilliant brothers you would ever find.

科比是最會說話的兄弟之一，是你能找到的最出色的兄弟之一。

And you could no doubt if you could dispute sky what he was saying or whatever.

而你如果能爭議天他說的什麼或什麼，你可以毫不懷疑。

Hold on.

等一下

But but But what you could never dispute about Kobe Bryant is that you under you didn't understand what he was saying.

但但但你永遠無法爭辯科比-布萊恩特的是，你下你不明白他在說什麼。

He was very clear in his messages.

他的資訊非常清晰。

We might not like what Kevin Durant says.

我們可能不喜歡凱文-杜蘭特說的話。

Sometimes he's very clear in his messages.

有時候他的資訊很清晰。

We might debate about what LeBron James they're saying from time to time, Russell Westbrook said.

拉塞爾-維斯特布魯克說，我們可能會時常辯論勒布朗-詹姆斯他們在說什麼。

They're very clear and what they're saying.

他們很清楚，他們在說什麼。

The issue of Kyrie Irving is not only does he not appear to be clear, but also he's taking it toe levels that it doesn't need to be taken.

凱里-歐文的問題不僅是他沒有出現清楚的問題，而且他還把它帶到了不需要採取的腳趾水準。

You wanted to make sure there were no distractions.

你想確保沒有分心。

What possible distraction did you expect on media day to start an MBA season?

在媒體日上，你期待著什麼可能的分心來開始一個MBA賽季？

Obviously, people are there to talk to you about basketball.

很明顯，人家是來和你聊籃球的。

Now there are things going on in the life of Kyrie Irving that transcend the sports, and I totally understand that and because of that, there are things that are significantly more important to him than just basketball.

現在凱里-歐文的生活中有一些超越體育的事情，我完全理解這一點，也正因為如此，有些事情對他來說明顯比籃球更重要。

We should appreciate and understand that, particularly with the year that we have had.

我們應該讚賞和理解這一點，特別是在我們過去的一年裡。

Kyrie Irving is right about that.

凱里-歐文說的沒錯。

But the point is, when it comes to your job, that's the only reason the media was there.

但問題是，當涉及到你的工作時，這是媒體到場的唯一原因。

So when you say you don't want to talk, then somebody is looking at you like, Well, you don't want to talk about basketball.

所以當你說你不想說話的時候，有人就會看著你，嗯，你不想談籃球。

Well, that happens to be your job, and you have.

嗯，這恰好是你的工作，而你有。

You have a contractual obligation to talk about the sport.

你有合同義務談論這項運動。

I don't believe he has a contractual obligation to talk about anything else.

我不相信他有合同義務談論其他事情。

And whatever he wants to talk about is his business.

而他想談什麼是他的事。

And whatever he wants to do so long is his legal is his business.

不管他想做什麼，只要是他合法的就是他的事。

And whatever he wants to be preoccupied with is his business.

而他想專心做什麼是他的事。

I support Kyrie Irving on that.

在這一點上我支持凱里-歐文。

All I'm saying is when it comes to basketball, that's what you get paid an average of $35 million to play, that is your job and the media is there to cover you as the basketball player.

我想說的是，說到籃球，那就是你平均拿3500萬美元的工資來打球，那是你的工作，媒體是為了報道你這個籃球運動員。

So if you look down on them not saying he is or isn't.

所以如果你看不起他們不說他是或不是。

But if you're looking down on somebody because they want to talk to you about basketball, then essentially you're lamenting the job that you signed on to produce, right?

但如果你因為某人想和你談籃球而看不起他，那麼本質上你是在感嘆你簽下的工作是為了生產，對吧？

And that doesn't seem to make sense.

而且這似乎也說不通。

The bottom line that somebody has to tell him that respectfully, yeah, bottom line is Michelangelo anyone?

有人要恭恭敬敬地告訴他，對，底線是米開朗基羅有人嗎？

You know, the greatest artist through history.

你知道，歷史上最偉大的藝術家。

If Kyrie wants to call himself an artist again, I'm not pushing back against that.

如果凱里想再稱自己為藝術家，我不會推辭反對。

You watch playing basketball and he wants to say, I'm an artist with Kyrie.

你看打籃球，他想說，我和凱里是一個藝術家。

I agree with that.

我同意這一點。

That's right.

是的

And you know what?

你知道嗎？

When an artist creates work, it will be scrutinized, criticized, critiqued, analyzed.

當一個藝術家創作作品時，會受到審視、責備、批判、分析。

People will think it's beautiful and they have a lot of good things to say about it, and they will also have things that you will consider not positive or negative.

人們會覺得它很美，他們會有很多好的評價，也會有一些你認為不積極或消極的東西。

That is the nature of art.

這就是藝術的本質。

So Kyrie, it seems to me, is, um he needs to grow up with respect to this issue.

所以在我看來，凱里，是，嗯，他需要在這個問題上成長起來。

He can't control everything.

他不能控制一切。

He can't control people's reactions.

他無法控制人們的反應。

There's always going to be criticism, and and his job right now is to win a championship.

總會有人責備，而他現在的工作就是贏得冠軍。

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