Ramona.

雷蒙娜

You broke the story earlier today, Joe Lake up.

你今天早些時候爆料，喬湖了。

As you noted in your piece.

正如你在文章中提到的。

He has a masters in public health from U C L.

他擁有U C L的公共衛生碩士學位。

A.

A.

He's made his fortune in biotech.

他在生物技術領域發了財。

This is an area he's not.

這是他沒有的領域。

Just some fly by night.

只是一些夜裡飛來的。

Just Hey, let me see what I could do about coronavirus testing.

只是嘿，讓我看看冠狀病毒的檢測我可以做什麼。

This is one of his specialties.

這是他的特長之一。

How are the warriors attempting to accomplish this?

勇士們是如何試圖實現這一目標的？

Uh huh.

嗯哼。

Well, look at the game changer for the Warriors here is that they're not just talking about testing the players or the employees or the staffers.

好吧，看看勇士隊在這裡的遊戲改變是，他們不只是在談論測試球員或員工或工作人員。

They're talking about testing every single fan who comes in the building and not just with the rapid antigen based tests, which are the tests at the White House views which you know, the experts I spoke to Rachel said those commits 30 to 50% of people who are infectious.

他們正在談論測試每一個風扇誰進來的建築，而不僅僅是與快速抗原的測試，這是測試在白宮的意見，你知道，專家我跟瑞秋說，這些承諾30到50％的人誰是傳染性的。

If any of those people get through, you're in a bad situation.

如果有任何一個人通過，你的情況就不妙了。

But there's new technology, which is called a rapid PCR test.

但是有新的技術，這叫快速PCR檢測。

This is how if you're watching Saturday Night Live, that's how they're operating.

如果你在看《週六夜現場》，他們就是這樣操作的。

Okay?

好嗎？

And these tests right now are pretty expensive.

而且現在的這些測試都是相當昂貴的。

$150.

$150.

$200.

$200.

Um, but they are being used in small event group settings.

嗯，但它們被用於小型活動組的設置。

Andi there.

安迪在那裡。

There's three companies right now that have gotten emergency FDA approval to start making them.

現在有三家公司已經得到了FDA的緊急準許，開始生產。

They're going to start increasing scale.

他們要開始增加規模。

Joe Lacob says he thinks by springtime they'll be producing 100,000 of these tests a day.

喬-拉科布說，他認為到春天的時候，他們每天會生產10萬個這樣的測試。

So that's the only way you could make this work.

所以這是你唯一能讓這個工作的方法。

If you do a rapid PCR test, which is 99% effective, okay, takes 15 minutes.

如果你做一個快速PCR檢測，99%的有效率，還好，需要15分鐘。

You can either do it at the Chase Center, or you could do it.

你可以在大通中心做，也可以做。

It drive thru locations around the Bay Area.

它在灣區周圍的駕車地點。

You can.

你可以。

You can safely say that it's not just 99 out of 100 Okay, because there's a lot of people say 10,000 fans.

你可以肯定的說，這不僅僅是100箇中的99個好吧，因為有很多人說10000個粉絲。

That means 100 get through.

這意味著100人通過。

No.

不知道

You also have to factor in the rate of coronavirus in the Bay Area, which is right now.

你還得考慮到灣區的冠狀病毒的發病率，現在是。

I just looked it up 20 minutes ago, 9.9 per 100,000.

我20分鐘前剛查過，9.9‰。

That means probably out of 10,000 people you're trying to catch.

也就是說，你要抓的人中，可能有一萬人。

Four or five of them that have co vid in a 99% effective test probably catches those.

在99%的有效測試中，有四五個有co vid的，大概能抓到這些。

Then you also back it up with mass and social distancing that the experts I talked to one was named George Rutherford at UCSF, he said, This is a close to a perfect A plan, as you can get now in California, where we don't allow any fans, not even friends and family at a college football game.

然後你還用大眾和社會的疏遠來支持它，我跟一個叫喬治-盧瑟福的專家聊過，他說，這是一個接近完美的A計劃，因為你現在在加州，我們不允許任何球迷，甚至是朋友和家人在大學橄欖球比賽中。

If they sit three sections apart, it's gonna be a hard It's gonna be hard sell because I think politically it's gonna be hard to get.

如果他們坐在三個部分分開， 這會是一個困難的銷售，因為我認為 政治上，它會是很難得到。

London London breathed the mayor of San Francisco, Logan Breed, the mayor of San Francisco or Gavin Newsom to sign off on it when cases arising.

倫敦倫敦呼吸舊金山市長羅根布萊德，舊金山市長或加文紐森在案件產生時簽字。

But this really, if we can prove the concept, if the Warriors can do that on a small scale, at least maybe 1000 fans 2000 fans first.

但這個真的，如果能證明這個概念，如果勇士能小規模的做到這一點，至少可能先有1000球迷2000球迷。

I think this has a game changing ability to get everyone back to arenas and really changed, Um, entertainment sports and get people back into arenas safely.

我認為這具有改變遊戲規則的能力，讓大家回到競技場，真正改變了，嗯，娛樂體育，讓人們安全回到競技場。

I think this is admirable and perhaps revolutionary, Um, but the virus is just destroying us as a country.

我認為這是值得欽佩的，也許是革命性的，嗯，但病毒只是摧毀了我們這個國家。

We're just getting destroyed by us.

我們只是被我們摧毀了。

It's beating us.

它在打我們。

We're about to go into lockdowns all over the place again.

我們又要進入各地的封鎖狀態了。

The laws and the virus, they're going to dictate what happens.

法律和病毒，他們會決定發生什麼。

And I admire Joe Lick up trying to fight it.

而我也很佩服喬立克起來努力抗爭。

That said that said, 100,000 tests like this per day.

話說回來，每天有10萬次這樣的測試。

Do we really want X 1000 of them?

我們真的想要X 1000個嗎？

5000, 10,000 to go toe Warriors fans just to fill the Warriors arena like, can we think of something better to do with those tests?

5000，10000去趾勇士球迷只是為了填滿勇士的場館一樣，我們能想到更好的辦法來做這些測試嗎？

And same goes for Hollywood studios.

好萊塢電影公司也是如此。

I mean, we're about to close schools all over the country, and we're sitting here talking about filling an N b A arena to 50% capacity.

我的意思是，我們就要關閉全國各地的學校了 而我們卻坐在這裡討論如何把一個NBA競技場填到50%的容量。

I mean, it's at honorable.

我的意思是，這是在榮譽。

I think their heart is in the right place and the impact could be revolutionary, but it feels like we're just sort of it's just sort of we're missing the larger point, but that larger point.

我認為他們的心臟是在正確的地方 和影響可能是革命性的， 但它的感覺就像我們只是排序 它只是排序 我們錯過了更大的點， 但更大的點。

Zack then requires the next question question.

扎克就要求下一個問題題。

I had to.

我不得不這麼做

Well, I would just say guys.

好吧，我只想說夥計們。

The larger point requires that next question of if sporting event.

更大的觀點要求，接下來如果體育賽事的問題。

T.

T.

If teams or sporting events or Hollywood studios aren't buying up those tests, is someone else buying them?

如果球隊或體育賽事或好萊塢電影公司不買這些測試的賬，是不是有人買賬？

Because that was one of the questions facing the MBA bubble before they started up things in Orlando, there was some criticism of, Oh, the MBA is gonna buy up all these tests.

因為這是MBA保麗龍面臨的一個問題，在他們開始在奧蘭多事情之前，有一些責備說，哦，MBA要把這些考試都買了。

Are they taking them away from someone?

他們是要把他們從某人手中奪走嗎？

But the lab was making the tests for them and did not have other government buyers who was gonna buy that same amount of tests for normal citizens.

但實驗室是為他們做檢測的，並沒有其他的政府買家為正常公民購買同樣數量的檢測。

So I think part of it is just sort of a play between local governments, state governments, private institutions and hospitals who buy up tests and private businesses who want to buy a test to function.

所以我覺得一部分只是地方政府、州政府、私人機構和醫院買斷檢測和私人企業想買斷檢測功能之間的一種博弈。

Are they taking them?

他們在服用嗎？

Quote away.

引用了。

Could we think of better things to do with those tests?

我們能不能想出更好的辦法來做這些測試？

If us, as taxpayers are willing to buy up and fund those tests to the degree that say Joe Lake up is, of course, they should go to the government and to taxpayers and to people who need them in the general public.

如果我們作為納稅人願意買單，併為這些測試提供資金，達到說喬湖起來是的程度，當然，他們應該去政府，去納稅人，去需要他們的普通民眾。

I just You can't look at that in a vacuum and say, Why are they buying up all the tests that that doesn't mean there's any for anyone else's someone else buying up those tests up until now.

我只是你不能看在真空中，說，為什麼他們買了所有的測試，這並不意味著有任何為別人的別人買了這些測試，直到現在。

Ah, lot of our state governments have not done that.

啊，我們很多州政府都沒有這樣做。

It depends on the state.

這取決於國家。

And it depends on which test you're talking about.

而這要看你說的是哪種測試。

Right, Ramona?

對吧 蕾蒙娜

Yeah.

是啊。

You explain that perfectly, Rachel.

你解釋得很清楚，瑞秋。

I mean, I think the big question And I think this is another thing.

我的意思是，我認為最大的問題 我認為這是另一件事。

You know, I kind of knocked the rapid antigen test before, which are which, you know, they're not as accurate, Right.

你知道，我有點敲 快速抗原測試之前， 這是... ...你知道，他們是不一樣的 準確，右。

Um, but if you use them every day, So if you're talking about schools, right where if you have ah lot of huge population, but it's the same population every day, they become more effective because you're testing people more often.

嗯，但如果你每天都使用它們， 所以，如果你說的是學校， 正確的地方，如果你有啊很多 巨大的人口，但它是相同的 人口每天，他們變得更加有效 因為你測試的人更頻繁。

So if you say, let's say you missed the virus on day four, but you got it on day five.

所以，如果你說，比方說你在第四天錯過了病毒，但你在第五天得到了它。

That is more effective.

這是比較有效的。

And I think those antigen tests are far cheaper right now.

而且我覺得現在那些抗原檢測的價格要便宜得多。

So there are other plays there.

所以那裡還有其他的戲。

Zack, I actually agree with you.

扎克，其實我同意你的觀點

I think that we should probably see these in nursing homes among first line responders.

我想，我們也許應該在養老院的第一線反應者中看到這些。

I do think that is coming, though, and I think it's gonna come with a national testing strategy that is probably gonna come over the winter as we see an administration change.

我認為，這是未來的，雖然，我認為這是要去與一個國家測試戰略，可能會在冬季，因為我們看到一個政府的變化。

One of the experts I talked to his name is Rick Klausner.

我跟一個專家談過，他叫裡克-克勞斯納。

He's advising the Rockefeller Foundation, who one of their lead the Biden transition team.

他正在為洛克菲勒基金會提供建議 他們是拜登過渡團隊的負責人之一。

And I think that's what's gonna That is probably what's going to change this equation here, which is if we, instead of leaving it up to states if we have more of a nationwide extensive testing policy, um, then you can produce these in bulk.

我認為這是什麼要去 這可能是什麼 要改變這個等式在這裡， 這是如果我們，而不是離開它 由各州，如果我們有更多的 全國範圍內的廣泛的測試政策，

Then the government can compel other companies to produce the bulk, and there will be more companies and more tests available, Um, in the coming months.

然後政府可以強制其他公司大量生產，未來幾個月會有更多的公司和更多的測試可用，嗯，。

So I think, by springtime that ethical question may not be as much of an issue may not be as much of an issue.

所以我想，到了春天，這個倫理問題可能就不是那麼大的問題了。