Name: 斯蒂芬-A.和麥克斯在辯論德魯-佈雷斯是否仍然是精英的問題時發生了激烈的爭論|First Take。 (Stephen A. & Max get heated debating whether Drew Brees is still elite | First Take)
Uploaded: 2020-11-15T18:26:29.000Z
Duration: 6 min 59 s

But if you look at the accuracy over the last five years, max 70% completion 72 for 74 74 74 I mean, well, you know what you're pointing out away from greatness when you're pointing to that level of accuracy that he's delivering on top of winning games.

但如果你看看過去五年的準確率，最大70%的完成度72 74 74我的意思是，好吧，你知道你指出的是什麼遠離偉大，當你指出他在贏得比賽的基礎上提供的準確率水準。

If they start out fast ball like 100 mile an hour fastball, they strike out a lot of guys as their career moves on.

如果他們一開始就打快球，比如時速100英里的快球，隨著職業生涯的發展，他們會出手很多人。

If they want to stay elite, they get better control there in the strike zone, more so their totals keep going down.

如果他們想保持精英，他們在罷工區那裡得到更好的控制，更多的是他們的總數不斷下降。

But their home run allowed goes up because they're in the strike zone.

但他們的本壘打允許量會上升，因為他們在打擊區。

He basically led the league in passing yards every single season.

他基本上每個賽季的傳球碼數都是聯盟第一。

It seemed for a long time with over 5000 lead, the league legal legally, but and his and his completion percentage was in the high sixties.

似乎在很長一段時間裡，5000多的領先優勢，聯盟合法合法，但和他的和他的完成率都在六成以上。

Now he's leading the league in completion percentage every year, and the passing yards are playing the same He's evolving as a player, but that's still illegal.

現在，他每年的完成率都在聯盟中領先，傳球碼數也是一樣的 他作為一個球員在進化，但這仍然是非法的。

Okay, I'll throw a basketball analogy at you that both you and I have used.

好吧，我給你扔一個你我都用過的籃球比喻。

They were not only great ballplayers, they had crazy athleticism.

他們不僅是偉大的球星，還有瘋狂的運動能力。

As age and attrition kicked in, they had toe modify their game to some degree, become more perimeter oriented to maintain the level of success.

隨著年齡的增長和損耗的增加，他們不得不在一定程度上修改自己的比賽，變得更加註重外圍，以保持成功的水準。

We looked at things differently, but we didn't question their greatness.

我們看問題的角度不同，但我們並沒有質疑他們的偉大。

What we said was they had to sit up there and modify it, change it up a little bit, but they're still great.

我們說的是，他們必須坐在上面修改，改變一下，但他們仍然是偉大的。

They're just not as athletic as they used to be.

他們只是不像以前那樣運動了。

If you're telling me Drew Brees ain't the same, do with his velocity, I got you.

如果你告訴我德魯・布里斯和他的速度不一樣，我明白了。

But in terms of the results, if you look at the level of accuracy and he's winning football games and he's leading his team and he's playing the quarterback position, you could tell me that Drew Brees might not be the same quarterback.

但就結果而言，如果你看看準確率的水準，他贏得了足球比賽，他正在上司他的球隊，他正在打四分衛的位置，你可以告訴我，德魯-布里斯可能不是同一個四分衛。

I'm just saying, Don't eradicate greatness from the category while you're talking about him.

我只是想說，不要在談論他的時候，把偉大從這個範疇中抹去。

Because he's great, in fact, that I can give you examples of baseball pitchers, a couple them and pitch for the Yankees, Ron Guidry or later on David Wells, who got better and better in terms of in terms of the control.

因為他是偉大的，事實上，我可以給你的例子，棒球投手，一對夫婦，併為洋基隊投球，羅恩Guidry或後來的大衛-威爾斯，誰得到了越來越好的在在控制方面。

Fewer walks, fewer strikeouts, more home runs allowed.

更少的保送，更少的三振，更多的本壘打允許。

They what they once were, maybe, but still elite.

他們曾經是什麼，也許，但仍然是精英。

When you bring up Jordan and Kobe, that's true.

當你提起喬丹和科比的時候，那是真的。

They were still elite because Jordan and Kobe, in the moment of truth, could still put their team over the top with, you know, taking the fade away if they needed to, instead of just taking it hard to the hole.

他們仍然是精英，因為喬丹和科比，在關鍵時刻，仍然可以用，你知道，如果他們需要的話，把淡出，而不是隻把它硬生生地帶到洞裡去，讓他們的球隊超越。

我們沒見過德魯-布里斯這麼做。

Even the quarterback does not have as much sway on the outcome of the game as maybe a starting pitcher who's really dominant baseball or a wing.

即使是四分衛，對比賽結果的影響也沒有也許是一個真正有統治力的棒球先發投手或側翼那麼大。

You run the offense through in basketball, but the ball is still in their hands at the end of games, and Stephen A.

在籃球比賽中，你把進攻貫穿始終，但比賽結束時球還是在他們手中，而斯蒂芬?

We have seen in the playoffs time and again, Drew Brees look old and beaten up in the moment of truth, I'm not saying he's definitely not.

我們在季後賽中屢屢看到，德魯-布里斯在關鍵時刻顯得老態龍鍾，我並不是說他絕對不是。

I'm saying we have not seen this year improved.

我是說我們今年還沒有看到改善。

That, huh is two things that this worth pointing out here.

這，呵呵是兩件事，這值得在這裡指出。

There's a difference, because it doesn't have to be both.

是有區別的，因為不一定非要兩者兼得。

We don't look old because you got your behind beat up.

我們看起來並不老，因為你的背後被打了。

Michael Thomas has only played two games this year.

邁克爾-托馬斯今年只打了兩場比賽。

Yeah, yeah, I've been bringing this up forever, by the way, the Saints at this moment, the Saints of my pick in the NFC.

是啊，是啊，我一直在提這個問題，對了，此刻的聖徒，是我在NFC選擇的聖徒。

But that's different because because I think Drew Brees, because I think Drew Brees still has elite accuracy.

但這是不同的，因為因為我認為德魯-布里斯，因為我認為德魯-布里斯仍然有精英的準確性。

But whether or not he's an elite quarterback remains to be seen as the year progresses.

但他是否是一名精英四分衛，還有待今年的進展。

People would didn't know if he was coming back this year and part of it because you saw the throws down the field.

人們會不知道他今年是否會回來，部分原因是你看到了場上的投籃。

You just finished saying, Drew Brees is a quarterback that has elite accuracy.

你剛說完，德魯-布里斯是一個四分衛，他的準確率很高。

I just want you to think about people listening to you.

我只是想讓你想想人們在聽你說話。

You're going to say that a quarterback has elite accuracy, but don't give him greatness.

你要說一個四分衛有精英的準確度，但不要給他偉大的。

When you talk about elite, you're talking about the upper crust, even if you want to say Drew Brees.

當你說到精英的時候，你說的是上層社會，即使你想說德魯-布里斯。

His name came after Peyton and Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.

他的名字是在佩頓和湯姆-布雷迪以及阿倫-羅傑斯之後出現的。

If you're asking me to name the elite quarterbacks in the NFL right now, I'm telling you, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson.

如果你要我說出現在NFL的精英四分衛，我會告訴你，帕特里克-馬霍姆斯，阿倫-羅傑斯，拉塞爾-威爾遜。

I do not have Drew Brees in that group right now.

我現在沒有把德魯-布里斯列入那組人。

I e need to see him with his weapons now.

我現在要看他拿著武器的樣子。

And when you talk about elite accuracy, yes, E accuracy is the second most important thing of quarterback has.

而當你談到精英準確率時，是的，E準確率是四分衛第二重要的東西。

The first is processing information quickly.

Then you have to worry about arm strength.

You have the requisite arm strength you don't need to have the biggest can into the world.

你有必要的臂力，你不需要有最大的罐頭到世界。

Forget about the arbitrary number of quarterbacks, Whether it's 34 or five, I think there are levels.

忘記了四分衛的任意數量，不管是34個還是5個，我認為都是有層次的。

The top level to me does not include breeze at this moment.

對我來說，此刻的最高級別不包括微風。

It used to Max Kellerman, Drew Brees, elite accuracy, winning football games.

它曾經是馬克斯-凱勒曼，德魯-布里斯，精英的準確性，贏得足球比賽。

You talked about processing information and throwing the ball accurately.

你說的是處理資訊和準確投球。

I don't think there's a soul alive that would question his processing information neither.

我想活著的靈魂也不會質疑他的處理資訊。

And I'm not saying you're doing that because I know you're not.

我不是說你在做，因為我知道你沒有。

But there's not a soul alive that would question and processing information.

但活著的人沒有一個靈魂會質疑和處理資訊。

There's not a soul alive that would question is accuracy And, oh, by the way, Max, you need to see it.

活著的人都不會質疑它的準確性 還有，哦，對了，Max，你得去看看。

The brother has been in the NFL for 20 years.

He's time achievement of a first ballot Hall of Famer.

他的時間成就了第一票名人堂成員。

He's done this for the last 12, 13 years.

他在過去的12，13年裡都是這樣做的。

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