Name: 現在談論派屈克·馬霍姆斯是史上最佳（GOAT）是否言之過早？| Keyshawn, JWill & Zubin (Is it too early for the Patrick Mahomes-GOAT conversation? | Keyshawn, JWill & Zubin)
Uploaded: 2025-12-08T11:05:24.000Z
Duration: 5 min 41 s

First of all, Jordan was winning championships when they started talking about We can't give it to him every year.

首先，喬丹在贏得總冠軍的時候，他們就開始討論我們不能每年都給他。

Patrick Mahomes, 11 So far, he's headed in the right direction.

帕特里克-馬霍姆斯，11歲，到目前為止，他的方向是正確的。

But it's early in his career, so you can't say he's the greatest of all time.

但這是他職業生涯的早期，所以你不能說他是最偉大的。

This is only his third year as a starter.

這只是他作為主力球員的第三年。

He's got a lot Mawr to prove he's on the right track.

他還有很多事情要證明，他的方向是對的。

We said several years ago that Aaron Rodgers was going to be the greatest quarterback to ever play.

幾年前我們就說過，阿倫-羅傑斯將成為有史以來最偉大的四分衛。

Nobody's talking about it anymore, even though he's gonna be one of the greatest No question quarterbacks to ever play.

沒有人在談論它了，儘管他將是最偉大的毫無疑問的四分衛之一。

I mean, it's just I remember our good friend Ron Jaworski on ESPN, saying that Kaepernick is gonna be the best to ever play.

我的意思是，我記得我們的好朋友Ron Jaworski在ESPN上說，Kaepernick會是有史以來最好的球員。

We should mention Jaws was a former quarterback, the quarterback and he said, and he said that All I'm saying is slow it down, saying they gotta told jobs.

我們應該提到大白鯊是一個前四分衛，四分衛和他說，他說，所有我說的是慢下來，說他們得告訴工作。

Andrew Luck is gonna be the greatest guy, and all just Patrick Mahomes is headed in the right direction.

安德魯-勒克會成為最偉大的人，而所有隻是帕特里克-馬霍姆斯的方向是正確的。

There's no question about it, but you gotta pass up.

Yeah, I mean, I could just go on and on and on and on.

是啊，我的意思是，我可以繼續下去，繼續下去，繼續下去。

Depending upon subjectively, how you look at what is the greatest of all time is that surpassed him in championships?

要看主觀上，你怎麼看有史以來最偉大的是什麼，是在冠軍上超過了他？

Is that surpassed him in amount of touchdowns?

I think everybody looks at this conversation differently.

我想每個人對這次談話的看法都不一樣。

There's no question about it, Jay, because the way that I judge guys is, how many rings do you have?

毫無疑問，傑伊，因為我判斷男人的方式是，你有多少個戒指？

As far as I'm concerned, I could throw the ball all over the lot and get catch the ball and have great numbers and didn't help my team win.

在我看來，我可以把球扔得滿地都是，還能接球，數據很好，卻沒有幫助球隊贏球。

Patrick Mahomes was going to win more championships.

帕特里克-馬霍姆斯要贏得更多的冠軍。

So Tom Brady is greater than Joe Montana?

所以湯姆-布雷迪比喬-蒙塔納更偉大？

No, not necessarily know, meaning that I'm judging championship just because he went to nine and 16 Joe went to Foreign Lost zero, but they're in the same conversation.

不，不一定知道，意思是說，我評冠軍只是因為他去了九，十六喬去了外輸零，但他們是在同一個話題。

Marino, at once upon a time, was going to be in that conversation.

馬利諾，一下子就要在這場對話中。

Now the conversation is Marino's, the flick of the wrist.

現在對話的是馬利諾，彈指一揮間。

That conversation is the flick of the wrist for Marino, because he didn't win a championship, so it's like he was the best passing quarterback that I've ever seen.

這個對話對於馬裡諾來說是彈指一揮間，因為他沒有贏得過冠軍，所以他好像是我見過的最好的傳球四分衛。

That's the conversation for a Merino, where these other guys have championships now as he continues to collect the hardware.

這就是一個美利奴的對話，現在這些其他的人都有冠軍，他繼續收集硬件。

And now you start to say, Well, he did a different than everybody else.

現在你開始說，嗯，他做的和別人不一樣。

But I think I think you're starting to make my point for me, though, that there's so many subdivisions of goat conversation, right?

不過我覺得我覺得你開始替我說了，山羊對話有這麼多的細分領域吧？

Like he's the goat of passing quarterback I've ever seen like that.

就像他是我見過的傳球四分衛中的山羊一樣。

That's like, that's like a subdivision, right?

這就像，這就像一個小區，對吧？

然後我就想，好吧，誰是大咖？

So then, who would be the greatest quarterback of all time?

那麼，誰會是史上最偉大的四分衛呢？

In your opinion, man, it's Tom Brady and Joe Montana.

在你看來，夥計，這是湯姆・布雷迪和喬・蒙大拿。

I mean, if you, if you really want, is Tom Brady and Joe, my data, it's both of them, and here's why I say that because later, in Tom's career, they won Super Bowls.

我的意思是，如果你，如果你真的想要，是湯姆-布雷迪和喬，我的數據，是他們兩個人，我為什麼這麼說，因為後來，在湯姆的職業生涯中，他們贏得了超級碗。

I would probably say three of the six me three of the six that they won.

我大概會說，他們贏的六人中，有三個我三個。

The other three are credit to the defense.

Four of the Super Bowls at 40 Joe Montana.

40歲的喬-蒙塔納在超級碗中的四次。

So it's kind of like excuse my lack of football history, but Zoom and I'm sure you can help me this question.

所以這有點像原諒我缺乏足球歷史，但Zoom和我相信你能幫我這個問題。

Who was the head coach for Joe Montana those years he won for Bill Walsh.

誰是喬-蒙大拿隊的主教練，那些年他為比爾-沃爾什贏得了勝利。

The late, great Bill Walsh, who is the biggest greatest coaching tree was there to see for, was there at the end.

已故的偉大的比爾-沃爾什，他是最大的最偉大的教練樹在那裡看到的，在最後。

They went to the Carolina Panthers, but Bill Walsh?

他們去了卡羅萊納黑豹隊，但比爾-沃爾什?

He was the guy that spawned all of these guys that throw the West Coast offense late, great.

他就是那個催生了這些人的傢伙，把西海岸的進攻扔到了後期，太好了。

One of the greatest coaches in the history of the NFL.

I would also point this out whether you want to talk about all these guys were Bill Walsh because he also coached at Stanford back in the day.

我還想指出的是，你是否想說這些人都是比爾-沃爾什，因為他當年也在斯坦福大學執教過。

The one thing I would say about that is this.

It's also what you do for your organization.

The Niners were not a great organization until Joe Montana showed up and threw a pastor Dwight Clark in the NFC championship game.

九人隊不是一個偉大的組織，直到喬-蒙塔納出現並在NFC冠軍賽中扔了一個牧師Dwight Clark。

Known is the catch, and then they became the team of the eighties.

眾所周知的是抓，然後他們成為了八十年代的球隊。

The Chiefs had won a championship with Len Dawson, but that was back in the early 19 sixties.

酋長隊曾在倫-道森的帶領下奪得過冠軍，但那已經是1960年代初的事了。

It's a lifetime ago for most people, so if Patrick begins to win, then people will say he brought the Chiefs back.

對大多數人來說，這是一生的事，所以如果帕特里克開始贏得比賽，那麼人們會說他把酋長隊帶回來。

Much like the Patriots, the Patriots were nothing before parcels.

就像愛國者隊一樣，愛國者隊在包裹面前什麼都不是。

託尼，託尼-伊斯頓沒有幫助佐拉克。

We love our guy, Zolak, but I got to tell you, it's what you do individually.

我們愛我們的人，佐拉克，但我要告訴你，這是你個人的事。

It's what you do to raise the collective franchise.

Montana made the 40 Niners Brady made the Patriots, and in this particular case, Elway made the Broncos.

蒙塔納成就了40歲的九頭蛇隊，布雷迪成就了愛國者隊，而在這種特殊情況下，埃爾韋成就了野馬隊。

What did you do not just elevate yourself, absolutely elevate the franchise?

你不僅提升了自己，絕對提升了加盟店的地位，你做了什麼？

And I think Patrick Mahomes is going to continue the only thing that scares me about this continuation of championships is there's two coaches that's on their staff that will probably be gone within the next 24 months.

而且我認為帕特里克-馬霍姆斯會繼續這種冠軍的延續，唯一讓我害怕的是有兩個教練，在他們的工作人員中，可能會在未來24個月內離開。

Enemy and the other inspect Nolan, the defensive coordinator, former head coach of the ST Louis Rams.

敵人和其他檢查諾蘭，防守協調員，前ST路易斯公羊隊的主教練。

He will probably get a second bite at the Apple.

他很可能會被蘋果公司咬上第二口。

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