Rather, it is just being really good for a long period of time, which it seems to be what they've done in Green Bay.

而是在很長一段時間內真正的做好自己，這似乎是他們在綠灣的做法。

They've had back to back first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback for the last 30 years, and in that time they've won two championships.

在過去的30年裡，他們有背靠背的第一票名人堂四分衛，在這段時間裡，他們贏得了兩次冠軍。

I think that's an underachievement.

我認為這是一個不足的成績。

Yeah, I think that's a fair criticism over the last decade or so of Packers football, but I don't think that necessarily speaks the moment right now.

是的，我認為這是對過去十年左右包裝工足球的公平責備，但我不認為這一定能說明現在的情況。

They decided that last year their team was not good enough to win the Super Bowl and they decided that they were not one or two pieces away.

他們決定去年他們的球隊不足以贏得超級碗，他們決定他們不是一個或兩個碎片。

So they started building for the future and it seems like they're sticking to that plan.

所以他們開始為未來而建設，看來他們是在堅持這個計劃。

It will be somewhat silly.

會有些傻乎乎的。

I think right now toe jump off of that plan and go after go trade all your assets.

我覺得現在要跳出這個計劃，去後去交易你所有的資產。

If you're trying to build to having a great team in the future and trade all your assets to make a run right now, when you don't believe that your team is complete and you don't think that Aaron Rodgers is necessarily good enough to put this team on his back, and if he is, he'll do that and drafting another or excuse me.

如果你試圖建立在未來擁有一支偉大的球隊，並在現在交易你所有的資產來運行，當你不相信你的球隊是完整的，你不認為阿倫-羅傑斯一定足夠好，可以把這支球隊放在他的背上，如果他是，他會做到這一點，並起草另一個或原諒我。

Trading for another receiver isn't gonna change that necessarily.

換成另一個接盤俠也不一定能改變這一點。

And I would love to sign some sort of player that comes on and takes this defense from bottom of the league, the middle of the league.

而且我很想簽下某種球員，讓他上場後，把這個防線從聯盟的底層，聯盟的中層。

But that player ain't out there.

但那個球員不在那裡。

Nobody's trading Aaron Donald.

沒有人交易亞倫-唐納德。

That's just not a thing that's gonna happen.

那是不可能發生的事情。

Wait a minute.

等一下

What?

什麼？

First of all, why is Graziano nodding like crazy at all of this?

首先，為什麼格拉齊亞諾在這些事情上瘋狂點頭？

I think I think they do believe they're good enough.

我想我認為他們確實相信自己已經足夠好了。

And that's the point, right?

這就是重點，對吧？

That if you could have told the Packers front office yesterday, adding Player X, let's say Will Fuller or somebody on defense would guarantee you that you go from being a Super Bowl contender to a Super Bowl champion.

如果你昨天能告訴包裝工前臺，加入球員X，比方說威爾-富勒或者某個防守球員，就能保證你從超級碗競爭者變成超級碗冠軍。

They probably would have done it.

他們可能會這樣做。

But to your point, Dominique, that player is not out there and they recognize that.

但對於你的觀點，多米尼克，那個球員不在那裡，他們也認識到了這一點。

So it's about we have a good team, were 19 and six over the last a couple of years.

所以這是關於我們有一個好的團隊，是19和6在過去的幾年。

We believe we have a good a chance as anybody with what we have.

我們相信，以我們的實力，我們有一個很好的機會。

So going outside of our plan to do something different isn't necessarily where we wanna be, is an organization.

所以在我們的計劃之外去做一些不同的事情，不一定是我們想做的，是一個組織。

So I think it's a little bit different from what Dominique is saying and that they do believe they have a good enough team and that they didn't need to give up assets in order to make, uh, smaller.

所以我覺得這和多米尼克說的有點不一樣，他們確實相信自己有一支足夠優秀的球隊，他們不需要為了讓，呃，小一點而放棄資產。

I mean, if that's where we disagree, is if they if they felt like they were close enough to win the championship, that's where I think drafting a running back and quarterback early in the draft last year.

我的意思是，如果這就是我們不同意的地方，是如果他們如果他們覺得他們足夠接近贏得冠軍，這就是我認為在去年的選秀中起草一個跑衛和四分衛的早期。

That seems like a team that does not believe that they are, Ah, step away.

這似乎是一支不相信自己是的球隊，啊，邁開步子。

Or they just believe that love is just that special Mahomes level talent that you can't pass up to me.

或者他們只是相信，愛情就是那種特殊的馬霍姆斯級別的天賦，你不能錯過我。

That suggested me that they were not ready to make this this leak.

這表明我，他們還沒有準備好讓這個這個漏洞。

It's a team that didn't believe that that step was available to them in the draft, that they didn't have a player.

這是一支不相信選秀中能有這一步的球隊，他們沒有球員。

They're going Oh, if we draft this guy, we could win next year's Super Bowl.

他們會說，如果我們選了這個人，我們就能贏得明年的超級碗。

That equation didn't add up for that.

這個等式沒有加起來的意思。

You would listen I who is running away with the NFC.

你會聽我誰在跑NFC。

There's not a team run away with the NFC.

沒有一支球隊跑贏NFC。

I mean, we can all talk about the Seattle Sea Also.

我的意思是，我們都可以談論西雅圖海也。

Good.

很好啊

They stink on defense.

他們的防守很爛。

You know, the template bucking is yet we like what they do on defense, but they're still trying to find their way offensively.

你知道，模板降價是然而我們喜歡他們在防守上所做的事情，但他們仍在努力尋找進攻的方向。

There's not one team in the NFC right now that's running away with this.

現在的NFC沒有一支球隊能跑贏。

So if you're the Green Bay Packers, you're sitting back saying, looking at the landscape.

所以，如果你是綠灣包裝工，你坐在後面說，看風景。

Yeah, we got a shot, we got a shot at.

是的，我們有一個鏡頭，我們有一個鏡頭。

This is not like we're some scrubs with five and two.

這不像我們是一些有5個和2個的擦邊球。

But you know what the big teams in the NFC did?

但你知道NFC的大球隊是怎麼做的嗎？

Tampa.

坦帕

They added a piece.

他們加了一塊。

Seattle.

西雅圖。

They added a piece.

他們加了一塊。

These teams all went out and made moves on the Green Bay Packers.

這些球隊都在綠灣包裝工隊上出手了。

Did nothing.

什麼也沒做。

Pollock, go ahead.

波洛克，請說

Well, the Vikings dang sure on on that list, are they?

維京隊肯定在名單上，是嗎？

And then just curb stomped you.

然後就在路邊踩了你一腳。

So I mean, I don't I don't think this is also a team that I'm looking at last that I'm going, man.

所以，我的意思是，我不我不認為這也是一個團隊，我看在最後，我要去，男人。

Yeah, they're gonna be one of those offensively.

是的，他們會成為其中的一個進攻者。

Yeah, they got some nice pieces, but I'm gonna stop Davante Adams and Aaron Rodgers isn't gonna continue Thio play out of his mind like he did to start the season the rest of the year.

是的，他們得到了一些不錯的作品，但我會阻止達文特-亞當斯和亞倫-羅傑斯不會繼續Thio發揮出他的頭腦，就像他開始本賽季的其餘部分。

So, yeah, I understand you're saying what?

所以，是的，我明白你在說什麼？

But the Vikings aren't on that list and it was a bloodbath.

但維京人並不在這個名單上，那是一場血戰。

I mean, it's just unbelievable.

我的意思是，這只是令人難以置信的。

Just pounding it right at you, right at you, over and over again.

就這樣對著你，對著你，一遍又一遍地敲打著。

That's not a team.

這不是一個團隊。

And the last time we saw the Packers last year, it was in the NFC championship game and it looked very similar to that.

而上一次看到包裝工隊，是在去年的NFC冠軍賽上，看起來和那場比賽非常相似。

It was just straight down your throat.

就這麼直截了當地從你的喉嚨裡鑽了出來。

You couldn't stop it.

你無法阻止它。

So I think there's a lot of teams that could do that to the Packers.

所以我認為有很多球隊可以對包裝工隊做到這一點。

That's exactly right.

那是完全正確的。

But the point is, it was the NFC championship.

但問題是，這是NFC的冠軍。

That's the point when they were in the game.

這就是他們在遊戲中時。

I feel like you're saying the same thing I am, but you're acting like I'm disagreeing with you.

我覺得你說的和我一樣，但你卻表現得好像我不同意你的觀點。

What I'm saying is that they were this close.

我想說的是，他們就差這麼一點。

There were four teams left that could win the championship next year last year.

去年還剩下四支球隊可以在明年奪冠。

So why are you planning for a future after Aaron Rodgers when you're that close to winning a championship?

那麼，既然離奪冠那麼近，你為什麼還要為阿倫-羅傑斯之後的未來做打算呢？

with him.

與他。

No one is ever going to convince me that I don't have this one.

沒有人能夠說服我，我沒有這個人。

Right?

對吧？

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訂閱ESPN，加。