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  • And when you joined the House of Lords, I think you had a similar experience Where you said, how much can religion be spoken about in here?

    當你加入上議院的時候,我想你也有過類似的經歷,你說,在這裡,宗教能被談論多少?

  • And I think you came to a similar conclusion that you had to be Justus open as you were in the city.

    我想你也得出了類似的結論,你必須像在城市裡一樣,成為賈斯特斯開。

  • Well, it's a prayer, but it takes it takes guts.

    嗯,這是一個祈禱,但它需要它需要勇氣。

  • Frankly, you know, where do I get guts from?

    說實話,你知道,我的膽子從哪裡來?

  • Lord, give me courage.

    主啊,請給我勇氣。

  • I mean, we were I was involved with what was called the suicide bill.

    我的意思是,我們是... ...我參與了所謂的自殺法案。

  • It was the bill allowing help for people who wanted to kill themselves.

    這是允許幫助想自殺的人的法案。

  • I've got the name but on we were sort of a little group a few Christians in it who was sort of getting together policy and eso constructive plans against not allowing this bill to go through Parliament, which actually succeeded because in the end, in the Commons voted it out.

    我已經得到了這個名字,但在我們是排序的一個小團體 一些基督徒在它誰是排序的聚集政策和eso建設性計劃 反對不允許該法案去通過議會, 這實際上是成功的,因為在最後,在下議院投票它。

  • Um, but at one stage, I was warned by another member of the House of Lords.

    嗯,但在一個階段,我被另一個上議院的成員警告。

  • Michael, when you stand up, do not mention God and I was actually shocked.

    邁克爾,當你站起來的時候,不要提到上帝,我其實很震驚。

  • If you mentioned God, they will stop listening and they will think you're irrational on.

    如果你提到上帝,他們就會停止聽,他們會認為你是無理取鬧。

  • I was really quite shocked and it's sort of it troubled to me that and in fact, I spoke toe quite well known Christian leaders about it, and they weren't all that helpful.

    我真的很震驚,它是那種它困擾著我,事實上,我跟相當知名的基督教領袖談過這件事,他們並沒有那麼多的幫助。

  • Actually, it was almost like whether you should be talking thio the spirit of the age, the culture of the age, which a lot of the bishops seemed to do.

    其實,這幾乎就像你是否應該談論thio時代的精神,時代的文化,很多主教似乎都在這樣做。

  • I mean, frankly, one very rarely.

    我的意思是,坦率地說,一個非常罕見。

  • Here's the mentioned God when, when when they stand up and contribute to debates on it's quite difficult there.

    這裡提到的神當,當他們站起來貢獻辯論上是相當困難的有。

  • But pray about it.

    但要為它祈禱。

  • So you know.

    所以你知道。

  • And I mean, there was one occasion we had talking about palliative care with people who are dying on day.

    我的意思是,有一次,我們曾與日漸消瘦的人談論姑息治療。

  • There's a lot of debate going on about making the comfortable drugs visit, family visits, all that sort of a what the whole area of pallet palliative care and I said up.

    有很多爭論,使舒適藥物訪問,家庭訪問,所有的那種一個什麼整個領域的托盤姑息治療和我說起來。

  • And I said, Well, we're missing the whole area of spiritual palliative care.

    我說,好吧,我們錯過了整個精神姑息治療的領域。

  • Um, do you know who speaks about eternal life more than anybody else in the whole Bible?

    嗯,你知道是誰在整個聖經中比任何人都更多地談到永生嗎?

  • It's Jesus.

    是耶穌

  • That's why he came that we might have eternal life on.

    這就是為什麼他來了,讓我們可以有永生在。

  • Here are people on the edge of eternity.

    這裡的人在永恆的邊緣。

  • Shouldn't they actually have some spiritually palliative care to give them comfort on DFO faith and encouragement that actually eternity awaits them.

    其實他們是不是應該有一些精神上的姑息關懷,讓他們在DFO信仰上得到安慰,鼓勵他們其實永恆在等著他們。

  • Yeah, so there are opportunities, but it's difficult.

    是的,所以有機會,但很難。

  • So you choose your battles.

    所以你選擇你的戰鬥。

  • Yeah, but you let everybody know you're a Christian.

    是的,但你要讓大家知道你是個基督徒。

  • So you do get the You do get the hostility as well.

    所以,你也確實得到了你的敵意。

  • You get the opposition for being a Christian.

    你是基督徒就會遭到反對。

  • My house.

    我的房子。

  • My, my wife.

    我的,我的妻子。

  • Wild.

    野生。

  • My wife?

    我老婆?

  • Yeah.

    是啊。

And when you joined the House of Lords, I think you had a similar experience Where you said, how much can religion be spoken about in here?

當你加入上議院的時候,我想你也有過類似的經歷,你說,在這裡,宗教能被談論多少?

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宗教與神殿:選擇你與宗教和政治的爭鬥--Michael Farmer勳爵。 (RELIGION & HOUSE OF LORDS: Choosing Your Battles With Religion & Politics - Lord Michael Farmer)

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