19 infections are increasing.

19感染率正在增加。

So our restrictions on the Dutch prime minister says it's the only way we have to be stricter.

所以我們對荷蘭首相的限制說，只有這樣我們才能更嚴格。

But is it the only way one country has offered an alternative?

但這是一個國家提供的唯一途徑嗎？

I think Sweden guarded.

我認為瑞典守。

Yeah, basically, except they didn't do it right in the beginning.

是的，基本上是這樣，只是他們一開始做的不對。

But basically they got it right.

但基本上他們做對了。

Who is Sweden getting it right?

瑞典是誰在做對？

It's one of the big questions of the pandemic.

這是流行病的一個大問題。

Hundreds of articles have been devoted to it with wildly different conclusions.

數百篇文章對此進行了專門論述，結論迥異。

Times Analysis says the Swedish response is a disaster.

時代分析稱，瑞典的反應是一場災難。

It shouldn't be a model for the rest of the world.

它不應該成為世界其他地方的典範。

But look at this from the W.

但看這從W。

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In late September, it says, we must recognize that Sweden at the moment has avoided the increase that's been seen in some of Western Europe.

9月下旬，它說，我們必須認識到，目前瑞典已經避免了西歐一些國家的增長。

We will be very keen on hearing Mawr from the Swedish approach.

我們將非常希望聽到來自瑞典方法的Mawr。

Well, what is the Swedish approach?

那麼，瑞典的做法是什麼呢？

But simply when many countries went into lock down in March, Sweden didn't.

但僅僅是在3月份很多國家進入鎖國狀態時，瑞典並沒有。

Instead, it pursued voluntary social distancing.

相反，它追求的是自願的社會疏導。

It encouraged a range of things working from home, avoiding public transport table service in bars on that advice rested on the assumption that people feel like this.

它鼓勵一系列的事情從家裡工作，避免公共交通表服務在酒吧上，建議停留在假設，人們覺得這樣。

We in Sweden trust the authorities, and if the authorities say stay at home, please and work from home, we do that so they didn't need to say You have to go on a long time.

我們瑞典人相信當局，如果當局說請留在家裡，在家工作，我們就會這樣做，所以他們不需要說你要去很久。

Sweden's calculation is that people will social distance effectively if the message is simple, credible and consistent.

瑞典的計算方法是，如果資訊簡單、可信、一致，人們會有效地進行社交距離。

Also, the Swedish approach doesn't include masks, officials argue.

另外，瑞典的方法不包括口罩，官員們認為。

They give people false confidence, which sometimes undermine social distancing on.

它們給人虛假的信心，有時會破壞社會上的疏遠。

All of this is designed to move Sweden towards a goal that it shares with other European countries.

所有這些都是為了讓瑞典朝著它與其他歐洲國家共同的目標前進。

How to reduce contacts between people.

如何減少人與人之間的接觸。

You'll hear this referenced again and again.

你會不斷地聽到這句話被提及。

A number of social contacts and travel movements must be drastically reduced if, during the six weeks we follow the curfew, we act collectively to reduce the number of contacts.

如果我們在宵禁後的六個星期內採取集體行動，減少社會接觸和旅行的次數，就必須大幅度減少。

That's the point at which we think we can progressively start open up again because reduce contacts and you reduce the risk of transmission.

這就是我們認為可以逐步開始再次開放的點，因為減少接觸，就可以減少傳播的風險。

Relevant to that is the role of the super spreader.

與此相關的是超級播種機的作用。

It's thought most covert infections are transmitted by around 10 to 20% of people who have it.

據認為，大多數隱性傳染病的傳播者約有10～20%。

This Danish epidemiologists argues Sweden understood this a full lock down would be too much.

這位丹麥的流行病學家認為，瑞典明白這一點全面鎖定會太過。

You need Thio.

你需要Thio.

You need to look at this super spreaders and limit them.

你需要看看這個超級傳播者，限制他們。

And that's basically what Sweden did.

而瑞典基本上也是這麼做的。

The most visible say are actually the only really intervention they did was to say that you're Max Calories was 50 so that Sweden's approach and to assess it, of course, we need to look at how the numbers compare.

最明顯的說是其實唯一真正的干預他們做了是說你最大的卡路里是 50 所以，瑞典的方法和評估它，當然，我們需要看看數字如何比較。

I'm going to focus on three measures.

我重點講三個措施。

First, Sweden's total deaths per capita is the 15th highest in the world, higher than most major European nations.

首先，瑞典的人均總死亡人數居世界第15位，高於大多數歐洲主要國家。

Second, when it comes to the total numbers of cases per capita, both Norway and the UK have lower figures than Sweden.

其次，在人均病例總數方面，挪威和英國的數字都低於瑞典。

But Spain and France have higher and third, the infection rate Sweden has so far avoided in autumn surge.

但西班牙和法國的感染率較高，三、感染率瑞典至今避免了秋季激增。

But its infection rate is higher than Norway and Germany, and it's rising.

但其感染率高於挪威和德國，而且還在上升。

Thistle feels a long way from the success story some would describe, and there are other issues to some, critics argue, the whole thing is actually a misjudge plan to achieve herd immunity, something that strongly denied.

薊感覺離一些人會描述的成功故事還有很長的路要走，還有其他的一些問題，批評者認為，整個事情其實是一個誤判的計劃，實現群體免疫，強烈否認的事情。

Also, Sweden's approaches relied on thousands of vulnerable people shielding themselves, while others live under lighter restrictions on Sweden's number of deaths was in part driven by a failure to properly protect care home.

此外，瑞典的方法依賴於成千上萬的弱勢群體屏蔽自己，而其他人生活在較輕的限制下瑞典的死亡人數在一定程度上是由於未能適當保護護理院。

But the man who devised Sweden's approach thinks in the long term it will work in parts we and Sweden have always had the same regulations in place, the same recommendations and general advice on they still apply.

但設計瑞典的方法的人認為從長遠來看，它將在部分地區工作我們和瑞典一直有同樣的規定，同樣的建議和一般建議，他們仍然適用。

E think it creates a sense of security on a long term perspective, and then it is easier to follow.

E認為從長遠的角度來看，會產生一種安全感，那麼就會比較容易跟進。

Consistent, long term consensual.

一致的，長期的共識。

This is Sweden's mantra, and at the heart of that is a commitment to the social contract, a contract that requires trust between people on national decision makers.

這是瑞典的口號，其核心是對社會契約的承諾，這種契約要求人們對國家決策者的信任。

You could argue without it any co vid strategy will struggle.

你可以說沒有它，任何co vid策略都會陷入困境。

Now, as we've seen, there's nothing in the data to show Sweden is definitely getting it right.

現在，正如我們所看到的，數據中沒有任何東西可以表明瑞典絕對是正確的。