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  • ALANA WEISS: Good morning.

  • My name is Alana Weiss, and today it is my pleasure to

  • welcome Adam Grant to the Leading at Google series.

  • Adam Grant is the youngest tenured professor and single

  • highest rated teacher at the Wharton School.

  • He is a former record setting advertising director, junior

  • Olympic springboard diver, and professional magician.

  • He has been honored as one of "Business Week's" favorite

  • professors and one of the world's top 40 business

  • professors under 40.

  • Adam is a regular contributor to Google's People &

  • Innovation lab, and he also has consulted with clients

  • ranging from the NFL to Goldman Sachs

  • to the United Nations.

  • He holds a Ph.D in organizational psychology from

  • the University of Michigan and a BA from Harvard University.

  • Today, Adam will share from his new book "Give and Take."

  • Please join me in welcoming Adam Grant.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • ADAM GRANT: Good morning.

  • Thank you guys so much for having me.

  • I'm truly delighted to be here.

  • It's always an honor and a treat to speak to Googlers,

  • and also to see lots of friendly

  • faces in the audience.

  • And I'm going to try to turn all of those friendly faces in

  • a more negative direction in the next few minutes.

  • The place I want to start is I want to talk for maybe 35 or

  • 40 minutes or so.

  • We'll have lots of interactive discussion throughout, and

  • then hopefully open it up then for some questions and more

  • discussion.

  • But the place to begin, really, is to say that I'm

  • interested in success and what makes some people and

  • organizations incredibly productive and effective and

  • why other people, perhaps, are less so.

  • And at the end of the day, what I want to know is how can

  • every person in this room own a face that looks like this?

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: And I know some of you are thinking right now,

  • well, I already own that face.

  • And the question is, well, how could you own it more often?

  • Or how could you spread it to the other people around you?

  • And as an organizational psychologist, when I started

  • doing research in this area about 10 years ago, I found

  • that there were three ways to get to this face--

  • hard work, talent, and luck.

  • If you want to be effective in any domain or any profession

  • or any field, you have to develop a strong work ethic,

  • you have to really be mastery or expertise oriented so that

  • you develop true skills, and, as Malcolm Gladwell told us in

  • "Outliers," you have to find yourself in the right place at

  • the right time.

  • And I think that's all true.

  • But for me, it was missing a really important part of

  • success in this connected world that we all live in--

  • our interactions with others.

  • Most of you work in teams.

  • Many of you have clients.

  • Some of you have more managers than you would like, perhaps.

  • And the question is, how does the way that you interact with

  • those people every day, shape the results that you achieve,

  • the promotions that you gain?

  • And ultimately, perhaps also the meaning in the happiness

  • that you obtain.

  • So when I was trying to get to the bottom of this, I came

  • across a really inspiring quote.

  • It was from Robert Benchley.

  • And Benchley said there are only two kinds of people in

  • the world--

  • those who divide the world into two kinds of people, and

  • those who don't.

  • And I thought that was a really profound way of

  • criticizing those of us in the psychology world who like to

  • oversimplify all of the richness and complexity of

  • human beings.

  • And I told myself that if I ever wrote a book I would

  • never dumb down all of the complexity of people into just

  • two categories.

  • Which is why today I am proud to announce to you that if you

  • want to capture everything important about interpersonal

  • interaction in organizations you need not two, but three

  • categories.

  • No, actually, in all seriousness, there's a good

  • amount of evidence across industries and across cultures

  • that there are three fundamental motives that

  • people bring to their interactions.

  • I call them reciprocity styles, basically trying to

  • capture the way that you approach your interactions

  • with other people into exchanging value.

  • On one end of the reciprocity spectrum we have the takers.

  • The people that we all love to hate who try to get as much as

  • possible from others and try to shirk having to contribute

  • back and often specialize in things like relentless self

  • promotion, hogging credit, and maybe stepping on a few people

  • on their way to the top.

  • Now, on the other end of the spectrum we have these very,

  • very strange characters that I call givers.

  • And for some odd reason, they actually enjoy helping others.

  • Not necessarily philanthropists or volunteers,

  • but rather the kinds of people who do a lot of knowledge

  • sharing, who are always introducing people and making

  • connections, who may step up to provide mentoring.

  • Now, very few of us fall purely in the

  • taker or giver category.

  • Most people, it turns out, if you look at the data, are what

  • I call matchers.

  • And a matcher is somebody who has tried to keep an even

  • balance of give and take.

  • Quid pro quo.

  • Tit for tat.

  • If I do you a favor, I expect you to do me one in return.

  • And that seems like a safe and reasonable way to live your

  • professional life.

  • But my question is, is it the best way to live your

  • professional life?

  • Is being a matcher, which most people choose to do, actually

  • the best path to success?

  • I'm going to try to shed some light on that today.

  • But before we do that, let's dive into the takers a little

  • bit and say, how would you recognize a taker even if you

  • didn't know that person?

  • So I prepared a little test, first of all, for you to

  • figure out if you yourself are a taker.

  • If you could take a moment and take the test, I'll tell you

  • whether you passed.

  • AUDIENCE: [CHUCKLING]

  • ADAM GRANT: Now, I hope this is the only thing I will say

  • today that is not based on data or evidence.

  • But I sincerely believe that the longer it takes you to

  • laugh, the worse your score is on the taker spectrum.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: Obviously, there are a couple different paths

  • to becoming a taker.

  • One is to be a narcissistic, to be insecure, to believe

  • that you have to be superior to others to be successful and

  • carry around this assumption that the world is zero sum.

  • A second path to becoming a taker, which I want to talk a

  • little bit about today, is having been taken advantage of

  • one too many times as a matcher or a giver, and

  • believing if I don't put myself first in this

  • dog-eat-dog competitive world, nobody will.

  • There's a third path to becoming a taker which I'm not

  • going to talk about today, it's called being a

  • psychopath.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: So all right.

  • How do you spot a taker?

  • How do you recognize one?

  • There's an actual study by Chatterjee and Hambrick

  • showing that you can tell whether a CEO is a taker just

  • by looking at that person's photograph in a company's

  • annual report.

  • Here are photos of two CEOs.

  • I would argue that one is a taker, one's a giver.

  • These guys both built very successful companies.

  • Both, interestingly, in the 1970s worked in the Nixon

  • administration, which I believe is where one learned

  • some of his taking habits.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: And the question is--

  • these photos were taken right from their annual reports--

  • can you tell which of the two of them is the taker just by

  • looking at their faces or their clothing?

  • Take a second to study them, and then I'm going to ask you

  • to weigh in with your votes, and then justify your bets.

  • [WHISTLING "JEOPARDY!" THEME]

  • So as of 2013, most Wharton undergrads don't recognize

  • that music.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: Which I find to be a great tragedy.

  • Like, is that "The Twilight Zone?" No.

  • All right, how many people think the guy on your

  • right is the taker?

  • How many of you don't know which one is

  • the guy on your right?

  • No, OK.

  • Show your hands again, the guy on your right.

  • The taker.

  • Show your hands high, we want to know who you are.

  • OK.

  • Why?

  • Why do you think he's the taker?

  • Yes.

  • AUDIENCE: Well, his eyes look less kind.

  • ADAM GRANT: His eyes.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: So you can see kindness in the eyes.

  • AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

  • I'm going with what I have.

  • ADAM GRANT: Who are you, and where can I learn that skill?

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: So I'm told that that may be a built-in feature

  • to the Google Glasses.

  • But what about the eyes signals kindness to you?

  • AUDIENCE: I don't--

  • I'm also completely basing this off like my exp--

  • ADAM GRANT: Rightfully so.

  • What else could you use?

  • I've given you no information.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • AUDIENCE: So I feel like the one on the left, they're a

  • little more closed.

  • Not squinting, but just more narrow.

  • ADAM GRANT: All right.

  • So you feel like the guy on the right, the taker, is sort

  • of looking you right in the eye?

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, it's like he's posing for a commercial.

  • ADAM GRANT: He's posing for a commercial.

  • Or a press photo shoot.

  • Yeah.

  • So there's an actual study by Keith Campbell and his

  • colleagues looking at spotting takers on Facebook.

  • They look at the narcissistic variety of takers, and they

  • show that takers actually post vainer profile pictures of

  • themselves.

  • They're not necessarily more attractive human beings in

  • general, but you will find a greater distance between how

  • they look every day and how hot they are in their profile

  • photo, because they have to put that best

  • foot forward, right?

  • All right.

  • So that's one interesting cue.

  • What else do you see about the man on the right that signals

  • that man is a taker?

  • He's selfish.

  • He's egotistical.

  • Now no one wants to answer.

  • But yes, right here.

  • AUDIENCE: I think his smile looks a little forced.

  • ADAM GRANT: The smile looks forced.

  • How so?

  • AUDIENCE: It's like tense.

  • ADAM GRANT: It's tense.

  • So you think that he's hiding something behind it.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah.

  • ADAM GRANT: Maybe All right, that's reasonable.

  • Some people also look to this smile and say he's baring his

  • teeth, and in the animal kingdom

  • that's a sign of dominance.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: And clearly CEOs live in the

  • animal kingdom, so.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: Any other cues?

  • John Carmel, what about the eyes?

  • AUDIENCE: I don't know.

  • ADAM GRANT: I know you've been well trained

  • to look at the eyes.

  • AUDIENCE: I don't remember.

  • ADAM GRANT: Ugh.

  • Anybody use the eyes other than just general kindness?

  • A more specific cue?

  • Yes.

  • AUDIENCE: The guy on the left looks like he's making direct

  • eye contact, the one on the right looks like he's looking

  • a little bit above you.

  • ADAM GRANT: Yeah.

  • All right.

  • That's a possibility.

  • AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

  • ADAM GRANT: A-ha!

  • Bring it on.

  • AUDIENCE: It's when you're doing a fake smile your eyes

  • lie because I think they crinkle right here.

  • ADAM GRANT: They don't crinkle.

  • AUDIENCE: Or don't crinkle.

  • ADAM GRANT: Yes.

  • So some of you know the French neurologist Duchenne in the

  • 1800s discovered the Duchenne smile, the authentic smile.

  • You can't control these muscles right next to your

  • eyes, and so when you're experiencing genuine positive

  • emotions you will see those crinkle or wrinkle next to

  • your smile.

  • But if it's a fake smile, you won't see those.

  • The problem is both takers and givers and matchers, too, are

  • capable of fake smiles.

  • In fact, there are a lot of takers, also, who engage in

  • very genuine smiles.

  • There's a term in psychology called duping delight, which

  • captures the sheer joy you experience if you're a taker

  • after lying to somebody and getting away with it.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: So you can see this very genuine smile from a

  • taker who's like, I just took you to the cleaners.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: All right.

  • So those are a couple cues.

  • I am sorry to report that the man on the right I would say

  • is the giver.

  • So some of you will be feeling bad about

  • yourselves right now.

  • Please don't.

  • I will make the rest of you feel bad about

  • yourselves in a moment.

  • The guy on the right, some of you may have heard of him, his

  • name is Jon Huntsman, Sr. He built the building that I

  • teach in at Wharton.

  • He's one of 19 people on Earth who have given away over $1

  • billion dollars.

  • Seemingly pretty generous.

  • He also had a son recently who may have been a

  • presidential candidate.

  • If you've read his book "Winners Never Cheat," he has

  • some incredible stories of going out of his way to give

  • to others, including after the financial markets crashed, he

  • couldn't fulfill all of his charitable commitments so he

  • took out a personal loan to deliver on his promises to

  • help various causes.

  • There's also a couple stories, actually, of him being in big

  • merger and acquisition negotiations and ending up

  • feeling like the CEO at the other side of the table is in

  • a really bad situation, had just lost

  • his wife due to cancer--

  • cancer, unfortunately, has affected a lot of

  • the Huntsman family--

  • and Huntsman basically signed a deal instead of claiming an

  • extra $200 million because he empathized with the other guy.

  • So I think he's a pretty powerful example of a giver.

  • The man on the left I would say was the taker.

  • Did anybody recognize him?

  • AUDIENCE: Ken Lay.

  • ADAM GRANT: OK, those of you who

  • recognized him, that's cheating.

  • You can't use actual information about him.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: You're supposed to use the photo and the clothes.

  • But yeah, Ken Lay.

  • What do you know about Ken Lay?

  • AUDIENCE: Enron.

  • ADAM GRANT: Enron.

  • Yeah, one of the primary villains in that scandal.

  • If you've seen or read "The Smartest Guys in the Room,"

  • you've been exposed to many, many examples of him having

  • been a taker.

  • Now, the question is, how did you know, if you didn't

  • recognize him, that he was a taker?

  • And I'm sad to report that there is nothing in either of

  • these two photos that says anything

  • about givers and takers.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: I just like to see what people are willing to

  • read into meaningless photographs.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: No, in all seriousness, I show you these

  • photos for two reasons.

  • One, to remind you that when we judge is somebody a giver

  • or a taker, are they generous and helpful, or are they

  • selfish, we tend to rely a lot on intuition, on snap

  • judgments, on the thin slices that Malcolm Gladwell wrote

  • about in "Blink." The problem is these are often wildly

  • inaccurate, because somebody's outer veneer--

  • are they friendly?

  • Are they warm?

  • Are they welcoming?

  • Are they polite?--

  • is totally different from their inner motives.

  • And Ken Lay is a great example of this, right?

  • He wasn't just a taker, he was a faker, ie, a taker disguised

  • as a giver.

  • He donated 1% of Enron's annual profits to charity.

  • He went out of his way to do what translates from Dutch to

  • kissing up, kicking down.

  • Takers are really good fakers when dealing with superiors.

  • They want to put their best feet forward, they want to

  • make a good impression on powerful people.

  • But it's hard to maintain that masquerade at every

  • interaction.

  • And so even if his bosses were fooled, oftentimes his peers

  • and his subordinates saw right through him.

  • But I believe we didn't have to go to his peers and

  • subordinates to find out that he was a taker.

  • I think we could have looked at the 1997 Enron annual

  • report, four years before the company collapsed, and spot a

  • cue that Ken Lay was a taker.

  • Let me show you these photos in context.

  • Here's Huntsman's photo from his

  • company's 2006 annual report.

  • What do you think Ken Lay's photo looked like?

  • Some people are saying it's a little bigger.

  • That would be a dramatic understatement.

  • Because if you look at the Enron 1997 annual report, you

  • will notice that his head is an entire page.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER AND GROANING]

  • ADAM GRANT: Now, lest you think this is just sort of a

  • fun, unusual example, an outlier, when Chatterjee and

  • Hambrick did their research, they got data on over 100

  • computer companies.

  • They got Wall Street analysts who knew the CEOs of each of

  • those companies to rate how much of a taker is each of

  • those CEOs.

  • How egotistical?

  • How selfish?

  • How narcissistic?

  • And then they looked for cues that correlated with the Wall

  • Street analyst's ratings.

  • And they found three cues that actually correlated at 0.86, a

  • whopping correlation in the social sciences, with the

  • ratings given by the analysts.

  • And one of them was the prominence of the CEO's photo

  • in the annual report.

  • The taker CEOs actually had larger photos.

  • They were more likely to be pictured alone, as well.

  • Which sent a clear message, right?

  • I am the most important person in this company.

  • It is all about me.

  • Second cue--

  • compensation.

  • The average computer industry CEO made about two to two and

  • a half times the annual salary of the next highest paid

  • executive in that company.

  • The average taker CEO had a multiple of what greater than

  • the next highest paid executive in the company?

  • AUDIENCE: 40.

  • ADAM GRANT: 40.

  • I mean, I'm not even sure if that's financially possible.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: It was a multiple of seven.

  • So taker CEOs got paid about seven times more than anybody

  • else in their company.

  • Third cue was in their speech.

  • Not just larger photos, not just bigger relative pay.

  • What two words do taker CEOs use more than the others?

  • AUDIENCE: "I" and "me?"

  • ADAM GRANT: "I" and "me," bingo.

  • When talking about the company, as opposed to "us"

  • and we." So those are a couple ways that you

  • could recognize a taker.

  • What I want to do, though, is I want to ask, OK, what

  • happens to takers?

  • Do they rise?

  • Do they fall?

  • How does their success compare to givers and matchers?

  • And when I started trying to ask this question, I began at

  • the bottom of success, asking which group is worst off.

  • Who gets the worst results?

  • Is it the takers, the givers, or the matchers?

  • And it looked at research in three domains.

  • First, engineers.

  • Got to have engineers.

  • Stanford's Frank Flynn did this great study where he got

  • engineers to rate each other on how many favors they did

  • versus how many they got, and then tracked their

  • productivity and the number of errors they made.

  • And then medical students.

  • Filip Lievens and his colleagues got every medical

  • student in Belgium over a seven year period to fill out

  • surveys about how much they liked helping others and then

  • tracked their grades.

  • And then Dane Barnes and I actually studied salespeople.

  • And we were interested in revenue.

  • So who were the highest producing salespeople who

  • bring in the most revenue every year?

  • Across these three groups, the same results came out.

  • The engineers, the medical students, and the salespeople.

  • There was one group, either the takers, the givers, or the

  • matchers, who was consistently worse off when it came to

  • productivity, errors, grades, and revenue.

  • Get a show of hands to see where your intuitions and

  • assumptions lie.

  • How many people think it was the takers at

  • the bottom most often?

  • All right, we have some optimists in the room.

  • How many people think it was the matchers?

  • OK, a lot of you.

  • Now, this is an odd thing to vote for, because

  • statistically if most people are matchers, it would

  • actually be quite hard for most people to be at the

  • bottom of any metric.

  • What about the givers?

  • How many people think the givers are at the bottom?

  • All right, those of you with your hands up,

  • you would be correct.

  • If you looked at the engineers, the engineers with

  • the worst productivity and the most mistakes were those who

  • did a lot more favors than they got back.

  • They were so busy helping their colleagues, they

  • couldn't get their work done efficiently or effectively.

  • Medical students.

  • The students with the worst grades in year one of medical

  • school were the ones who agreed most strongly with

  • statements like, I love helping others.

  • Now, if you carry that to its logical extreme--

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: The doctor that you trust is somebody who

  • never wanted to help anyone.

  • Salespeople.

  • Dane and I found that the salespeople with the lowest

  • revenue were the ones also who were passionately motivated to

  • help their colleagues and help their customers.

  • And I had one salespeople put it to me pretty bluntly.

  • He said, look, I really want to help my customers, which

  • means I will never sell them a product.

  • So I found this to be interesting.

  • I also found it, for those of you who are givers, to be a

  • little bit sad.

  • How many of you would self-identify more as a giver

  • than a matcher or a taker?

  • OK, how many of you self-identify as a giver but

  • didn't want to raise your hand because you feel like that

  • violates humility?

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: All right, those are the real

  • givers in the room.

  • So I did think this was sad, though, for those people who

  • are givers.

  • And so then I wanted to know who's at the top.

  • If the givers are at the bottom, then who's the most

  • likely to have the highest productivity, the fewest

  • mistakes, the best grades, and, ultimately, the most

  • revenue and sales?

  • Get a show of hands on this one as well.

  • How many people think the takers were most

  • likely at the top?

  • How many people think the matchers are most likely at

  • the top, ignoring my warning that the most common can't be

  • overrepresented in one part of the spectrum?

  • How many people didn't raise their hand for either the

  • takers or the matchers just now?

  • OK, good, now we have everyone involved.

  • Maybe you didn't raise your hand because you already

  • anticipated the thing that took me 10 years to figure

  • out, which is it's the givers again.

  • The givers are not only overrepresented at the bottom,

  • they're also more common at the top.

  • The engineers not only with the worst results but also the

  • best results are the ones who do a lot more favors

  • than they get back.

  • The takers and the matchers are more likely to be in the

  • middle when it comes to their productivity

  • and their error rates.

  • Medical students with the best grades, not just in year one

  • but over a seven year period are also the ones who say, I

  • love helping others.

  • And by the way, the medical students seem to get better

  • over time when they're givers, because you move from

  • basically having to study information independently to

  • collaborating with fellow physicians and also having to

  • work closely with patients.

  • And givers tend to really shine in interdependent work,

  • whereas they may struggle a little bit more

  • in independent work.

  • In sales, Dane and I found that giver salespeople who

  • really loved helping colleagues and customers

  • actually brought in about 50% more annual revenue than the

  • takers and the matchers.

  • So for me, that posed two questions.

  • One was, what do successful givers do that the rest of us

  • takers and matchers might want to learn?

  • And I think this is an exciting question because

  • these reciprocity styles are not hard wired.

  • They're not fixed.

  • In fact, they're choices we make in every single

  • interaction.

  • As a thought experiment, think about the next

  • person that you meet.

  • And you could say, I'm going to ask myself, do I want to

  • just try to help this person with no strings attached?

  • Do I want to try to get something from this person?

  • Or do I want to make an even trade?

  • And the more that you make those choices, the more

  • obviously you define yourself by one style or another.

  • But because it's a choice, it's

  • something we can all change.

  • And maybe there are ways that successful givers operate that

  • would be interesting and productive

  • for takers and matchers.

  • Second question that I was curious about is, what happens

  • to those givers at the bottom?

  • And if you would like to be a helpful person or a generous

  • person, what are the traps that you might fall into and

  • how do you avoid them?

  • Took me a couple hundred pages to try to

  • answer those questions.

  • I'm not going to put you all through that this morning.

  • But what I want to do is just give you a couple highlights

  • of some of the things that I learned that are described in

  • more detail in the book.

  • Overall, the thing that I was really interested in is how do

  • givers who succeed relate to the people in their

  • organizations or outside of them?

  • And so I end up looking at how do givers build networks?

  • How do they collaborate?

  • How do they develop talent in other people?

  • How do they communicate and influence and negotiate?

  • And I'll just give you a couple of stories and data

  • points from a few of those perspectives, and then we can

  • open it up for questions.

  • So collaboration.

  • How do givers succeed in collaboration?

  • Anybody recognize this man?

  • He's known as the genius behind the most successful

  • television show in history.

  • AUDIENCE: "Muppets."

  • ADAM GRANT: No, but it's a good guess.

  • Probably you've never heard of him.

  • I hadn't heard of him either when I came across his story.

  • Although I later found out that he invented a word that

  • was uttered by my college roommate every day for four

  • years, which made me a little bit unhappy.

  • But this man is known as the genius behind a really amazing

  • television show.

  • And he had a pretty checkered past.

  • He was an undergraduate, and he ended up deciding that he

  • was going to sell a refrigerator.

  • And he sold it to a freshman, and he took the money, and he

  • never delivered the refrigerator.

  • And he almost got kicked out of college for that, and then

  • he almost got kicked out again when he smashed his dorm room

  • window with an electric guitar.

  • And his one sort of crowning moment in

  • life was when he was--

  • to that point, at least-- elected the president of "The

  • Harvard Lampoon." But then he was--

  • actually there was an attempted overthrow, a coup,

  • by his peers because he was quote "not responsible

  • enough."

  • And he ended up finishing college.

  • He decided that he was going to make a living by betting on

  • dog racing, greyhound tracks.

  • And he spent two weeks holed in a library trying to develop

  • a mathematic, scientific way of beating the system.

  • Unfortunately, he ran out of money a few days later and had

  • to move in with his parents.

  • So bad start to his career.

  • But somehow he managed to get a job writing for a little

  • show called "Saturday Night Live" in the 1980s.

  • And one point in his "Saturday Night Live" career-- his name

  • is George Meyer, by the way.

  • George had a decision to make.

  • He had two different guests that were

  • coming onto the show.

  • One of them, the Material Girl in the height of her

  • fame, in her prime.

  • The other we will say perhaps a less desirable candidate to

  • write a sketch for, Jimmy Breslin.

  • And George was trying to figure out, OK, we need

  • sketches for both of these people.

  • They're going to be coming on the show.

  • And everybody's flocking to write for Madonna.

  • Nobody wants to write for Jimmy Breslin.

  • They don't think he's very fun or entertaining.

  • And George says, you know what?

  • One of the best ways to be successful if you're working

  • in a team or a group is to try to make other people

  • successful.

  • If "Saturday Night Live" is better, then I'm going to be

  • better off too because I'm a part of that.

  • And so he engages in what gets called at the National Outdoor

  • Leadership School expedition behavior.

  • Basically saying, if you're going to go and climb a

  • mountain, try and put the mission ahead of your own

  • personal interests and desires.

  • And he says, you know what?

  • I'm going to submit a few sketches for Madonna, but I'm

  • going to do my best work for Jimmy Breslin.

  • And that's really where my work is needed, because so few

  • people are wanting to contribute good ideas there.

  • And George ends up writing this amazing skit.

  • It's called "Bond Villains on a Talk Show." And you get to

  • see basically Breslin playing a Bond Villain, and they're

  • comparing strategies for attacking Bond.

  • And that ends up basically inspiring Mike Myers to do the

  • "Austin Powers" movies, which was kind of a cool thing to

  • see happen.

  • Well, if you look at what happened to George next, he

  • ended up moving out to Colorado.

  • He was working on a Letterman script.

  • It didn't pan out, and he decided he wanted to do his

  • own comedy.

  • And he knew he couldn't do it alone, so he reaches out to a

  • bunch of his "Saturday Night Live" buddies.

  • And he was really torn about how to do this, because for a

  • lot of people George is a really funny guy and he would

  • be a threat.

  • Right?

  • You're working in this zero sum sort of competitive world

  • of comedy, there are only so many jobs.

  • And George is afraid that if he reaches out to people

  • they're not going to help him because if he succeeds, that

  • means they're going to fail.

  • But one of the things that happened when George engaged

  • in this kind of expedition behavior is he showed that he

  • was the kind of person who cared about the group.

  • He cared about other people's interests.

  • And as a result, instead of gunning for him, people wanted

  • to support him.

  • He kind of established himself as a giver, and as a result,

  • people were kind of rooting for him when he was doing

  • work, and they wanted to feel like this is the kind of guy

  • who deserved to succeed.

  • Part of the reason for that is most people are matchers.

  • And if you're a matcher, you believe in a just world.

  • You think what goes around ought to come around.

  • And that means when you see a taker acting selfishly, you

  • want to punish that person.

  • Usually that means, Robb Willer shows at Stanford,

  • gossiping--

  • sharing negative reputational information so that takers

  • cannot get away with exploiting other people.

  • Just as you can't stand to see a taker be selfish and get

  • away with it, you also, if you're a matcher, don't like

  • to see generous people fail.

  • And so when somebody's a giver and really helpful, you will

  • often go on a mission to plot that person's well being.

  • And I think that's exactly what happened to George Meyer.

  • All these colleagues came out of the woodwork and they said,

  • yeah, we'll contribute.

  • George wanted to write this little magazine called "Army

  • Man." It was going to be a parody of the US military.

  • And he reached out to all of these colleagues, and they

  • just gave away some of their best comedy to him for free.

  • One of them was a guy named Jack Handey.

  • And he wrote one of his earliest "Deep Thoughts"

  • pieces two years before it ever appeared on the show for

  • George and his little "Army Man" magazine.

  • George puts out the magazine.

  • It has all this great comedy in it.

  • It catches the attention of a guy by the name of Sam Simon,

  • and Sam is just about to start a little TV show called "The

  • Simpsons."

  • George ends up getting invited because of this comedy he was

  • able to do to "The Simpsons," where he becomes an executive

  • producer, wins a bunch of Emmys, ends up contributing to

  • a movie that grossed half a billion dollars, and has a

  • pretty good, successful career.

  • What's interesting, though, is that he contributed to over

  • 300 "Simpsons" episodes, and he only took credit as a

  • writer on 12 of them.

  • And I think this was part of his giver style.

  • But I think one of the things that Robb Willer points out in

  • his research is that groups reward individual sacrifice.

  • And this is one of the ways that givers succeed in

  • collaboration--

  • looking for the unpopular tasks and volunteering for

  • them, and showing that they actually care about the best

  • interests of the group.

  • And then when it comes time to determine who should lead, who

  • deserves opportunities, those are the people who get

  • rewarded and trusted and respected.

  • So that's one example of the kind of thing that we see

  • givers do successfully in collaboration.

  • Now, some people will look at this and say, this is crazy.

  • This is not something that I would recommend to somebody

  • that I cared about.

  • And if this video clip works, I want to show you my first

  • introduction to how most people view givers.

  • [VIDEO PLAYBACK]

  • -Huh.

  • Still a 31 waist?

  • -Yep.

  • Since college.

  • Hey, Lena's Small's on this list.

  • -Lena Small?

  • -Yeah.

  • She's that girl I was going to call for a date.

  • She was unlisted, and now here's her number.

  • -Oh, you are not gonna cop a girl's phone number off an

  • AIDS charity list.

  • -Elaine, you should admire me.

  • I'm aspiring to date a giving person.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • -But you're a taking person.

  • -That's why I should date a giving person.

  • If I date a taking person, everyone's

  • taking, taking, taking.

  • No one's giving.

  • It's bedlam.

  • So George.

  • -Yeah.

  • -Guess what?

  • Lena found out how I got her number.

  • -Really?

  • How'd she do that?

  • -Eh, friend of a friend of Susan's.

  • -My Susan?

  • -(SHOUTING) Why'd you tell her?

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • -I had to, Jerry.

  • It's a couple rule.

  • We have to tell each other everything.

  • -Well, you know what this means, don't you?

  • -What?

  • -You're cut off.

  • You're out of the loop.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • -You're cut-- you're cuting me off?

  • No, no, no, Jerry, don't cut me off.

  • -You leave me no choice.

  • You're the media now as far as I'm concerned.

  • -No, Jerry, come on.

  • Please.

  • It won't happen again.

  • -If you were in the mafia, would you tell her every time

  • you killed someone?

  • -Hey, a hit is a totally different story.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • -I don't know, George.

  • -So Lena was upset, huh?

  • -You know what?

  • That was the amazing thing.

  • -What, it didn't bother her?

  • -No, she said it was fine.

  • Something very strange about this girl.

  • -What?

  • -She's too good.

  • -Too good?

  • -I mean, she's giving and caring and genuinely concerned

  • about the welfare of others.

  • I can't be with someone like that.

  • [LAUGHTER]

  • -I see what you mean.

  • [END VIDEO PLAYBACK]

  • ADAM GRANT: I think that's how a lot of people

  • view givers, right?

  • It's a sign of weakness.

  • But I actually think it can be a source of strength.

  • And one of the more interesting ways that plays

  • out is to look at how givers actually communicate.

  • I had a chance to get a personal taste of this.

  • A few years ago, shortly after I finished my doctorate, I was

  • asked to teach a group of Air Force colonels.

  • And I was supposed to teach them how to lead and motivate.

  • I was in my mid-20s, and most of them were in their mid-50s.

  • They were just like the guys out of "Top Gun." Most of them

  • had flown thousands of hours and had these really pretty

  • badass nicknames like Stealth and Gunner and Iceman.

  • And I walked in, and I knew that I needed to establish my

  • credentials, right?

  • Here was this kid, half their age.

  • And so I started talking a little bit about my expertise,

  • my experience, why I could maybe share some knowledge

  • that would be helpful to them.

  • And it was a four-hour experience, and I got the

  • feedback from the teaching forums.

  • And it was pretty darn painful.

  • Some of the comments have really burned

  • themselves into my brain.

  • But the one that really stuck out the most was quote, "More

  • knowledge in the audience than on the podium." It's like,

  • that is very sad.

  • Thank you.

  • The others were nicer, but they said similar things.

  • One person said, gosh, the professors get

  • younger every year.

  • How can they possibly know anything about leadership when

  • they've never led, let alone had a real job.

  • And I was like, OK.

  • So part of what I realized there was that I was

  • communicating a little bit more like a taker does.

  • Takers try to get respect by gaining dominance.

  • They try to be as confident as possible.

  • They try to make sure there are not any

  • chinks in their armor.

  • And they want to make sure, as a result, that people see them

  • very positively.

  • And that style didn't feel very comfortable for me.

  • As a professor, at least, I felt like my job was always to

  • listen to students, to learn from them, and then try to

  • figure out what I knew that might be helpful.

  • And so I had another session with a different group of Air

  • Force colonels scheduled before they decided to fire me

  • altogether.

  • And this time I decided that instead of going with the

  • really powerful, confident approach, I would do something

  • a little bit more powerless.

  • And I opened up by saying, OK, guys, I know what some of you

  • are thinking right now.

  • What can I possibly learn from a professor

  • who's 12 years old?

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: And there was this dead silence.

  • And one of the guys I was pretty sure started to reach

  • for his gun.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: And then they all started laughing, and one of

  • them said, oh, there's no way you're 12.

  • I'm sure you're at least 13.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: And that sort of became a running joke for the

  • next four hours.

  • And I noticed that I had really

  • bonded with the audience.

  • I think part of it was because I had called out the elephant

  • in the room.

  • But afterward when I read the feedback, it

  • was night and day.

  • A lot of them said, gosh, it was a breath of fresh air to

  • have a young professor who could talk about the

  • millennial generation.

  • And I think that a lot of it--

  • I delivered the exact same material.

  • A lot of it was the vulnerability and humility to

  • say, look, I don't have all the answers.

  • And I may not be able to teach you guys anything.

  • And if you look at the data on this, givers are a lot more

  • comfortable doing that than takers.

  • Takers do not want to expose their weaknesses, whereas

  • givers are willing to communicate in a much more

  • authentic and honest, maybe even self-deprecating way in

  • order to form a genuine connection with the people

  • that they're trying to connect with.

  • And I think there's a great example of this that dates

  • back to the mid-1800s.

  • Somebody that you may have heard of, Abe

  • Lincoln, was in a debate.

  • And his opponent called him "two-faced." And I think a lot

  • of takers would have been offended by that.

  • I think that Lincoln was a really extraordinary example

  • of a giver who was always looking for other people's

  • best interests and how to pursue and support them.

  • And he didn't even really skip a beat.

  • And he said, "You call me two-faced.

  • If I had another face, do you really think I would wear this

  • one?"

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: And it's a great example of that kind of

  • vulnerability and humility that establishes a connection.

  • I think that Lincoln was really clever about it, too.

  • He knew that his appearance was something easy to laugh

  • at, but also that it was not going to call into question

  • his competence.

  • And so it was something that he could easily be a little

  • bit vulnerable about.

  • There's a classic study that shows why this works.

  • Elliot Aronson in the 1960s asked people to listen to

  • tapes of "Quiz Bowl" experts.

  • Some of them were extremely knowledgeable, others didn't

  • really have the answers to the trivia questions that were

  • being posed to them.

  • And you're listening to this tape, you hear this candidate

  • answering all these questions right.

  • And then some of the candidates the tape just ends,

  • and then others spill some coffee on themselves and you

  • hear the cup crash and the person's like, oh my

  • gosh, I'm so clumsy.

  • And you actually, it turns out, like and respect the

  • "Quiz Bowl" expert more when he spills coffee on himself.

  • So Aronson and his colleagues call this the pratfall effect.

  • And they say, look, we actually identify with people

  • more when they're human.

  • But interestingly, it doesn't work if the person is not

  • "Quiz Bowl" competent.

  • So if you got most of the questions wrong and you

  • spilled coffee on yourself, you just look like an idiot.

  • But I think that this is a lot of what happens when givers

  • communicate.

  • There's some really good research by Alison Fragale at

  • the University of North Carolina who shows that we

  • tend to think that powerful speech, the confident, the

  • assertive, the dominant, is going to earn us status and

  • trust and respect.

  • But that that's only true if you're really working

  • independently, separately.

  • If you have to collaborate, you have to work in a team, or

  • you have to have clients, you will actually get more trust

  • if you use a lot of ums and uhs and ifs and hesitations

  • and tag lines and qualifiers, because what happens is when

  • you speak in a more tentative, soft-spoken way, people tend

  • to assume that you have their best interests at heart.

  • And guess what?

  • In a collaboration, we care at least as much about whether

  • you care about my best interests as whether you're

  • competent and capable and assertive.

  • And again, I think this is something that often works

  • really well for givers as they communicate.

  • This willingness to defer to other people, to show an

  • interest in other people's opinions

  • while they're talking.

  • Those are a couple of things on communication I thought

  • were interesting.

  • One other thing I wanted to highlight--

  • burnout.

  • Teacher burnout.

  • Common problem.

  • This is Conrey Callahan.

  • She was a Teach for America teacher who probably

  • experienced the worst burnout I've ever seen in a classroom.

  • She has at Overbook High School in Philadelphia where

  • the graduation rate is abysmally low, the crime rate

  • is extremely high.

  • There are students who actually only come to school

  • two or three days a year.

  • And she was just exhausted by these students

  • who wouldn't listen.

  • And somehow she managed to turn that around and actually

  • end up getting a National Teaching Award and stay longer

  • with Teach for America than any of the

  • people in her cohort.

  • And when I started to interview her about why, she

  • said some things that I thought tracked really well

  • with some recent data.

  • The first thing she said was at the height of her burnout

  • she was getting up at 6:00 AM, she was working 'til 1:00 AM

  • usually, she was having to do grading on the weekends.

  • Instead of giving less, she gave more.

  • She started a nonprofit organization called Minds

  • Matter Philadelphia, where she was

  • tutoring kids on the weekends.

  • And I was like, how could you possibly burnout less by

  • giving more?

  • That, I think, defies every principle of physics and

  • chemistry I've ever learned.

  • And she said, well, part of what happened was in my

  • everyday job I don't feel like I necessarily make a dent.

  • I don't think I have an impact.

  • Whereas when I'm working with these kids on the weekends,

  • these are high-achieving low income kids.

  • And I feel like I spend four or five hours with them, and

  • I'm actually helping them get into college.

  • And it renews my hope that my regular teaching

  • job can have an impact.

  • And I think it reveals one of the really interesting

  • principles of giver burnout.

  • Givers don't burnout just because they're working too

  • hard or giving too much.

  • They burnout when they don't get to feel that they're

  • making the difference that they had set out to make.

  • And I think that Conrey's idea of starting this nonprofit was

  • a really interesting way of not only seeing more of her

  • impact by trying to help people who were really

  • dedicated to school, but also just created sort of a fresh

  • experience of being in a different setting and being

  • able to renew a little bit of energy.

  • The other thing she did that I think was really clever was

  • she chunked her giving into blocks, as opposed to

  • sprinkling it out across the day.

  • There's an experiment by Sonja Lyubomirsky that looks at

  • random acts of kindness.

  • And you are either randomly assigned to do one random act

  • of kindness every day for a week or five random acts of

  • kindness in one day each week.

  • And most people assume that you should do them every day,

  • and that way you feel like you're helpful every day and

  • that will boost your happiness.

  • But Sonja finds the opposite, that doing five random acts of

  • kindness in one day actually leads to greater happiness

  • than doing one each day for five days.

  • We can speculate about why that is.

  • I think this research is relatively new.

  • But one of Sonja's dominant explanations is that you feel

  • like you are actually having an impact.

  • When you do five acts of meaningful helping a day, they

  • add up, whereas when you sprinkle them around it's sort

  • of a drop in the bucket, and it doesn't make you feel like

  • you're truly making a difference.

  • I think that that's a really interesting practice.

  • So there's one Fortune 500 company that actually goes out

  • of its way to set quiet time windows-- this is Leslie

  • Perlow's research at Harvard Business School--

  • to say if you are an engineer, you're constantly interrupting

  • and getting interrupted by your colleagues, and it's

  • really hard to get your own work done.

  • So what if Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Friday mornings

  • from 9:00 to 12:00 there were no interruptions and you could

  • get your own work done.

  • And then you have these windows set aside where you

  • can be helpful and support others.

  • When Leslie did that, this particular company had 66% of

  • engineers show above average productivity.

  • And at the end of the day they launched their product, which

  • was a laser printer, on time for only the second time in

  • division history.

  • And I think this, again, illustrates some things that

  • givers can do to avoid burnout.

  • Don't help all the people all the time

  • with all the requests.

  • Don't drop everything to support the people around you,

  • but rather say I'm going to reserve windows where I'm

  • going to be helpful to the people around me, and then

  • also I'm going to have times that I block out for my own

  • individual work.

  • Those are some of the things that I wanted to talk about.

  • Just a few other things you might find in the book if you

  • are curious.

  • How do givers build networks, and how do those look

  • different from takers and matchers?

  • How does "Fortune's" best networker--

  • the guy, not the cat--

  • claim that he built an extraordinary network?

  • Some of you may know this man.

  • Just through random acts of kindness.

  • And does it actually work?

  • Leadership.

  • How does this guy, CJ Skender, an accounting professor,

  • because he's a giver, know that this woman, Beth

  • Traynham, whose own mother told her she couldn't add or

  • tell time, would one day become a national gold

  • medalist in accounting?

  • And how did he know that this guy, Reggie Love, who was

  • written off by many as an athlete, would one day become

  • President Obama's body man?

  • What do givers know about spotting talent in others that

  • takers and matchers miss out on?

  • Decision making.

  • Why does a basketball executive named Stu Inman pass

  • up the chance to choose Michael Jordan and end up

  • getting a draft bust, Sam Bowie, and then hang on to Sam

  • Bowie for four years instead of cutting his losses?

  • What does it take to get other people to avoid the trap that

  • psychologists call escalation of commitment to a losing

  • course of action and instead say, you know what, it's over

  • man, just let her go?

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER[

  • ADAM GRANT: I know sometimes that one hits a little too

  • close to home.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: And then how do you avoid being treated as a

  • doormat if you're a giver?

  • What prevents you from becoming a pushover?

  • How do you deal with a taker and still maintain your sense

  • of concern for others and generosity?

  • But my favorite question, is it possible to turn a taker

  • into a giver?

  • Maybe not in all of their interactions, right?

  • But can we nudge people more in the giving direction in our

  • relationships with them?

  • Maybe.

  • One of my favorite ways to do that, some of you have been

  • part of already, it's called the reciprocity ring, invented

  • by Wayne Baker at the University of Michigan and

  • Cheryl Baker at Humax Networks.

  • The idea is you gather a group of 10 or 20 or 30 people, and

  • you ask them all to make a request.

  • Something meaningful, personal, or professional that

  • they want but can't get on their own.

  • And then you ask everybody else in the group just to try

  • to use their knowledge and their networks to make the

  • request happen.

  • And some pretty amazing things happen when everybody adopts

  • the norm of giving and says, we're just going to all try to

  • support each other.

  • Couple examples.

  • Earlier this year a woman came in said, my hero is a man

  • who's a blogger, but he's also a minimalist.

  • And he's impossible to contact because he

  • likes a simple life.

  • I've wanted for six years to meet him and one, thank him,

  • and two, ask him how I can help him.

  • But I don't know how to get in touch with him.

  • Could anybody help me?

  • And one person in this room says, yeah, you know what?

  • I know a blogger who knows him.

  • And they've been introduced, and they're meeting up for

  • dinner next week.

  • I'm very excited to see how it goes.

  • I think it probably wouldn't have happened unless she had

  • access to this network of people who in that moment were

  • willing to act like givers.

  • And guess what?

  • Because the requests are visible, it's really hard to

  • be a taker.

  • Because when you make that ask, if you don't help other

  • people, nobody wants to support you.

  • There are a few people in this room who were present for this

  • particular request in my classroom when a student named

  • Michelle said she had a friend who had her growth stunted as

  • a child and she could never find the right clothing, could

  • anybody help her?

  • And another student, Jessica, raised her hand, and she said,

  • yeah, I have an uncle in the garment business.

  • And I'm happy to reach out to him.

  • And three months later, custom clothing

  • arrived on her doorstep.

  • And for the first time in the life of Hope, Michelle's

  • friend, she actually had clothing that fit her right.

  • My favorite request, though, of all time was a student

  • named Alex who came in one day we were running one of these

  • reciprocity ring exercises.

  • And he said, I think the closest thing to nirvana in

  • life is riding a roller coaster.

  • And I came to Wharton because I one day would love to run a

  • place like Six Flags.

  • But strangely, Six Flags does not recruit at the Wharton

  • School of Business.

  • So could anybody help me figure out how to break into

  • the industry?

  • Another student, Andrew, raises his hand and says,

  • yeah, I think my dad knows the ex-CEO, I'm happy to get you

  • guys in touch.

  • Two weeks later, they have a cell conversation, and Alex

  • comes into class the next day.

  • I'm so excited to find out about it.

  • So Alex, how'd it go?

  • And Alex was like, I learned something really important

  • from that conversation--

  • I will never want to work in that industry ever.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: And I was like, OK, at least you were able to

  • rule that out.

  • And because of that, I am proud to say that today, at

  • this very moment, Alex is living his dream happily

  • employed as a management consultant.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: Anyway, I'm happy to talk further.

  • If you check out the "Give and Take" site, you can rate

  • yourself on a survey and figure out do you tend to

  • think most like a giver, a taker, or a matcher?

  • Although you all know too much now, so your ratings will be

  • fatally flawed.

  • There's also a 360 assessment.

  • You can anonymously ask anybody who knows who to rate

  • you, and then basically find out do I see myself the same

  • way other people see me?

  • And then there's also a Nominate a Giver feature, sort

  • of like a bigger version of the way that peer and spot

  • bonuses often work, where you can write a little paragraph

  • to recognize somebody that you think

  • has been really generous.

  • And we're going to basically recognize one a week based on

  • voting for the best example of a successful giver.

  • All right, happy to open it up for questions.

  • Who's the first victim?

  • Tina, "Is there a difference between men and women?" In

  • general, or in "Give and Take?"

  • AUDIENCE: "Give and Take."

  • ADAM GRANT: Yeah.

  • I really try to avoid this question, because I wanted to

  • write about people, not sort of divide

  • the world by genders.

  • But the data on this I think are pretty interesting.

  • So Alice Eagly and her colleagues have meta-analyzed

  • about three decades of studies looking at are men or women

  • more likely to help others?

  • And they find that the answer is no, they're actually

  • equally likely to be helpful, but that they specialize in

  • helping in different domains.

  • So women tend to do more helping behaviors in close

  • relationships.

  • They spend more time helping their friends, their family

  • members, and their close colleagues.

  • Whereas men are more likely, it seems from the data, to

  • help strangers, especially in emergency situations, which I

  • think has an interesting macho implication.

  • Oh, I must be tough and rescue someone now.

  • Arrr.

  • But I think a lot of people stereotype women as being more

  • likely to be givers because a lot of the most important

  • giving that happens in the world is the close

  • relationship based giving, and I would love to see more men

  • acting like women.

  • AUDIENCE: So you said that for givers, they're at the bottom

  • and then at the top.

  • Has that been filtered out by intelligence level?

  • So I'm wondering if you get to a point where things become

  • too easy so you start helping people if you're at the top

  • versus for some people it might be you just help because

  • you know that's something you can do.

  • ADAM GRANT: Yeah.

  • So intelligence is a really interesting question.

  • In my data, intelligence are close to orthogonal--

  • intelligence measures are to "Give and Take." So you can

  • find very, very bright givers, very bright takers.

  • There is some evidence.

  • Russell James, an economist, has actually shown the smarter

  • you are, the more you give to charity, even after

  • controlling for your education levels, your

  • socioeconomic status.

  • And the idea is basically that if you're incredibly high in

  • intellectual horsepower, it's easier for you to appreciate

  • all the different ways that you could be benefiting others

  • in the long run.

  • I think there's a lot a debate about it.

  • But there's another study by [? Millet and ?]

  • DeWitt that actually shows that when you give people an

  • intelligence test and then you ask them to play a prisoner's

  • dilemma game where they have to keep money for themselves

  • or give it to others, the smarter you are, the more you

  • give to others.

  • That being said, the correlations are so small that

  • I don't think they're practically that meaningful.

  • In the studies that Dane and I did of salespeople we actually

  • controlled for intelligence and found that even after

  • taking that out of the equation the giver factor was

  • basically a very strong predictor of both hitting the

  • bottom and the top of sales revenue.

  • The other intelligence data point that I've seen is

  • there's a great study by Kim and Glomb called "Get Smarty

  • Pants" which shows the smarter you are, the more likely you

  • are to be bullied by your colleagues who are jealous,

  • unless you're a giver.

  • And that goes back to the point we want to take down

  • really bright, successful takers, but we want to support

  • and lift up the bright, successful givers.

  • Next question.

  • AUDIENCE: Hi.

  • [INAUDIBLE]

  • things I loved for the session.

  • It was really interesting.

  • Going back to the point of showing vulnerability

  • publicly, I was wondering if that changes

  • from culture to culture.

  • Because in certain cultures I have the feeling that the more

  • senior or the more professional you are,

  • [? public ?] vulnerability might be seen as something

  • quite [? narrative ?] intellectually.

  • ADAM GRANT: Yeah, I think there's a huge cross-cultural

  • difference there.

  • One of the best ways, I think, to think about that is to go

  • back to Hofstede's classic research on power distance and

  • say that in cultures where people accept basically steep

  • hierarchies as appropriate and correct, it's a little bit

  • riskier to open up and be vulnerable.

  • I also think, though, that that was maybe the situations

  • where it's most powerful and disarming for somebody that

  • you expect to have this incredibly polished

  • presentation style to actually open up and say, look, I'm

  • just human, too.

  • Aronson's research actually showed that it will depend on

  • the audience, though, how people react to it.

  • So the people who like those who sort of spill coffee on

  • themselves or stumble the most are those with average

  • self-esteem.

  • Those are the people who see themselves as human, and they

  • like other people to be human.

  • Whereas if you have really high self-esteem, you tend to

  • want other people to appear really confident.

  • If you have low self-esteem, you just

  • don't like other people.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: That may be a slight caricature of the data.

  • AUDIENCE: Hey, Adam.

  • Katie Everett, fellow Harvard diver.

  • Hi.

  • I am wondering--

  • I have my daughter here today, Grace, who's five.

  • It's take your child to work day.

  • And I love your work and have been thinking about how do you

  • foster this kind of mindset in your children?

  • I'm just wondering if you have any insights into how to do

  • something like that.

  • ADAM GRANT: Yeah.

  • First of all, I think it should be called give your

  • child to work day, not take.

  • No.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: I was working on that all night.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: No.

  • I think that it's a really interesting question.

  • As an organizational psychologist rather than a

  • developmental psychologist, it really stretches far beyond my

  • areas of expertise.

  • So I'm more of a consumer in this area

  • than I think a producer.

  • But I've had a lot of fun reading some of the research

  • on what causes some people to grow into givers.

  • And I'll just highlight a couple of patterns.

  • I'm happy to share more details if anybody wants to

  • read the studies.

  • One is parenting styles are obviously huge.

  • If you are a role model as a parent as a giver, obviously

  • your children are more likely to follow suit.

  • Also, there's some really cool data showing that parents who

  • end up basically giving their children a lot of freedom are

  • more likely to encourage their children to become givers.

  • Whereas those who restrict freedom then essentially raise

  • kids who want to restrict the freedom of the other people

  • around them, which is sort of, I think, a little bit more of

  • a taker move.

  • The other really interesting data

  • point on this is siblings.

  • So this is Paul van Lange's research.

  • What Paul shows is that a lot of people think first borns

  • are more likely to be givers because you get a lot of

  • responsibility training if you have younger siblings.

  • You have to share and care and feed and babysit.

  • And it's actually the opposite in a weird sense, which is

  • just don't be the last born.

  • As long as you have at least one younger sibling, and then

  • the more of them you have, the more of this responsibility

  • training you get and the more you tend to gravitate in the

  • giver direction.

  • One other sibling pattern that I think is really interesting

  • is van Lange shows that people who do a lot of generous

  • giving are twice as likely to have sisters as brothers.

  • And you could ask, well, back to Tina's question, why do

  • sisters turn us into givers?

  • And there's a debate about that.

  • I don't want to speculate too far.

  • But two of the popular explanations are one, women

  • basically earlier on start giving, and so that rubs off

  • on their siblings.

  • And then two, there's some data--

  • Jonathan Haidt argues that girl babies are literally

  • cuter than boy babies, and so they attract more empathy and

  • then people want to help them more, and then they

  • get into the habit.

  • Again, this is going very far beyond data.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: We have one more question, and then I have two

  • things I want to say to wrap up.

  • AUDIENCE: Yeah, I was wondering if you had looked at

  • how the proportion of givers and takers can affect the

  • effectiveness of an entire organization.

  • Because one of the things that I've found since I joined

  • Google is part of the strengths is that everyone on

  • average is much more helpful than they

  • are in other companies.

  • ADAM GRANT: Yes.

  • AUDIENCE: And I think that really makes the organization

  • much better, and even the products that we

  • produce much better.

  • ADAM GRANT: Yeah, I totally agree.

  • I'm probably preaching to the choir on this.

  • So I wrote a little article that's in "McKinsey Quarterly"

  • this month that summarizes some of the evidence.

  • Probably the most powerful data point is Nathan

  • Podsakoff's meta analysis of organizational citizenship

  • behaviors looking at when more employees do a lot of helping

  • and giving behaviors, what happens to entire business

  • units or organizations?

  • And showing that you can just take the frequency of helping

  • between employees on sort of a daily basis and use that to

  • predict with surprising power organizational profits,

  • efficiency metrics, customer

  • satisfaction, employee retention.

  • And I think that this is actually a big part of

  • Google's success.

  • As an outsider, I've just been amazed by the number of people

  • who are already givers who come here, and also the giving

  • norms that people get socialized to

  • right off the bat.

  • And I think that may be very well one of the secrets to

  • this company's success.

  • So on that note, I want to say two things.

  • First of all, thank you so much for having me.

  • It's always a real delight and honor to have the chance to

  • speak to Googlers.

  • Because some of you already know this, but if I knew that

  • a company like this existed I probably never would have gone

  • into academia.

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: And it's just really, really exciting to

  • work with a company that not only has a lot of employees

  • that are givers, but also has a mission that's so much

  • about-- well, at least not taking, right?

  • If you talk about sort of the no evil policy.

  • But also the genuine idea of actually democratizing

  • information and making it available to other people.

  • It's something that I feel really passionately about, and

  • I feel lucky to have the chance to work with you all.

  • Second thing I wanted to do is I think that a lot of people

  • have a hard time recognizing successful givers.

  • Because even in an organization with a lot of

  • givers, the takers are the ones who are

  • sort of in the spotlight.

  • And the givers are usually comfortable sort of hanging

  • out in the shadows.

  • And I wanted to try to solve that problem in two ways.

  • One is we have some postcards that you can hand out to

  • anybody that you think has been a giver, to recognize

  • them for that.

  • Originally they said, "Thank you for being a giver," and

  • some people said, oh, that's kind of cheesy.

  • Especially men said that.

  • And so we changed it.

  • They say, "Congratulations, you're not a taker."

  • AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

  • ADAM GRANT: So you can pass those around.

  • There are more to download on the "Give and Take" website if

  • you want them.

  • The last thing I wanted to do is just thank some of the

  • amazing givers who have helped me a ton with this research

  • since a lot of you are in the room.

  • If I can ask you to stand up so that we can applaud you.

  • First of all, the Google People Analytics folks who are

  • here, please stand.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • ADAM GRANT: So much of the research in the book and the

  • ideas in it were shaped by the work that we've done together,

  • and in particular Prasad and Catherine have been

  • extraordinarily helpful.

  • Secondly, former students.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • ADAM GRANT: In particular, I want to thank Jackie and Jeff

  • from the Impact Lab who actually did

  • a lot of this research.

  • And Jackie for telling me that I should write a book, which I

  • wouldn't have done had she not encouraged me to do it.

  • And then finally, Amy Reznesky.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • ADAM GRANT: I know a lot of you know Amy already, but she

  • is the ultimate role model when it

  • comes to being a giver.

  • As a professor, I have learned a ton from her, and every idea

  • in the book was already modeled by her long before I

  • had a chance to study it.

  • And I feel incredibly fortunate to

  • have her as a colleague.

  • And she's going to turn really red, but if you will all thank

  • her again for me.

  • [APPLAUSE]

  • ADAM GRANT: Thank you.

  • You're free to go.

ALANA WEISS: Good morning.

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