Really good to see you again.

真的很高興再次見到你。

Thank you so much for being here.

非常感謝你能來這裡。

-Thanks for having me, Jimmy.

-謝謝你邀請我，吉米。

-There's a lot to talk about.

-有很多事情要談。

First, I'd love to get your thoughts on last night's debate.

首先，我很想知道你對昨晚辯論的看法。

-Well, what I think is that

-我的想法是...

it was certainly not as crazy a debate as the first debate.

這當然不是像第一場辯論那樣瘋狂的辯論。

-Yeah. -But I continue to be astounded

-是的 但我還是很驚訝

by the degree to which Donald Trump lies --

由唐納德-特朗普撒謊的程度 --

just lies and lies and lies --

只是謊言和謊言和謊言 -

not only his lies,

不僅是他的謊言。

his downplaying of this terrible pandemic from Day One

他從第一天起就淡化了這一可怕的流行病。

is just astounding to me.

對我來說就是驚天動地。

And I hope the American people understand that

我希望美國人民明白

because of his irresponsibility,

因為他不負責任。

because of his rejection of science,

因為他拒絕科學。

his attacks on Dr. Fauci,

他對Fauci醫生的攻擊。

that tens of thousands of people have died unnecessarily.

數以萬計的人不必要地死去，

-One of the things I admired about you

-我很欣賞你的一件事。

is that you endorsed Vice President Biden,

就是你支持副總統拜登。

although you don't agree with him on every issue.

雖然你並不同意他在每一個問題上的觀點。

I just think that sends a --

我只是覺得這發出了一個...

what -- what message are you sending there?

你... 你要傳達什麼資訊？

-Well, the message is that -- let me be very frank --

-好吧，資訊是 -- 讓我非常坦率地說 --

and not everybody will agree with me,

並不是每個人都會同意我的觀點。

but I think that Donald Trump is the most dangerous president

但我認為唐納德-特朗普是最危險的總統。

in the modern history of this country,

在這個國家的現代史上。

and it's not just because he lies all the time.

這不只是因為他一直在撒謊。

It's not just because he doesn't believe in science.

這不僅僅是因為他不相信科學。

It's not just because

這不僅僅是因為

he's a racist or a sexist or a homophobe or a xenophobe,

他是一個種族主義者或性別歧視者或同性戀者或仇外者。

it is because he is quite intentionally

因為他很有心

trying to undermine American democracy,

試圖破壞美國的民主。

trying to suppress the vote.

試圖壓制投票。

We are a democratic society.

我們是一個民主社會。

People have fought and died to defend our democracy,

人們為了捍衛我們的民主而戰鬥和死亡。

and we cannot re-elect the president

我們也不能連任總統

who does not believe in the rule of law,

不相信法治的人；

our Constitution, or, in fact, our democracy.

我們的憲法，或者說，事實上，我們的民主。

I have known Joe for many, many years.

我認識喬很多很多年了。

He is a very decent guy. As you have indicated,

他是個很正派的人。正如你所說

he and I have differences of opinions on a number of issues.

他和我在一些問題上有不同的意見。

But I can vouch for his decency

但我可以為他的正直作擔保

and his belief in the rule of law and democracy.

以及他對法治和民主的信念。

-When was the first time -- do you remember

-第一次是什麼時候，你還記得嗎？

meeting Joe Biden, Vice President?

見到副總統喬-拜登？

-Oh, I do. You know, he was a senator, and I was a senator.

-哦，我知道你知道，他是參議員，我也是參議員。

He was around for a very long time.

他在這裡呆了很久。

I was new.

我是新來的。

And the thing I think

而我想的是

that people will learn bout Joe Biden --

人們會了解到喬-拜登...

he is a very, very down-to-earth guy.

他是一個非常非常平易近人的人。

My wife remembers the first time that she met him,

我妻子還記得第一次見到他的時候。

and she never, you know, talked to him at all.

她從來沒有，你知道，跟他說話的。

He sat down, and he chatted with her about Ireland --

他坐下來，和她聊起了愛爾蘭----。

their families both come from Ireland.

他們的家族都來自愛爾蘭。

-Yeah. -Very -- Very human guy.

-是的，非常...

A very empathetic guy.

一個很有同情心的傢伙。

-Although the election is November 3rd,

-雖然選舉是11月3日。

and it's been said that we won't know the results

有人說，我們不會知道結果。

until days later,

直到幾天後。

when do you think we'll know the results?

你覺得我們什麼時候能知道結果？

-Jimmy, you raise an important point,

-吉米，你提出了一個重要的觀點。

and I hope the American people understand it,

我希望美國人民能明白這一點。

because this is something I worry about.

因為這是我擔心的事情。

My view is every vote must be counted.

我的看法是，每一票都必須計算在內。

For reasons which I don't have the time to get into tonight,

因為我今晚沒有時間談的原因。

you're going to have a situation, I suspect,

你會有一個情況，我懷疑。

in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin,

在賓夕法尼亞、密歇根、威斯康星等州。

other states,

其他國家。

where they are going to be receiving

他們將在哪裡接受

huge amounts of mail-in ballots.

大量的郵寄選票。

And unlike states like Florida or Vermont,

而不像佛羅里達、佛蒙特等州。

they're not able, for bad reasons,

他們不能夠，因為不好的原因。

to begin processing those ballots until --

開始處理這些選票，直到...

I don't know -- Election Day or maybe when the polls close.

我不知道... ... 選舉日或者投票結束的時候。

That means you're going to have states

這意味著你會有國家

dealing with perhaps millions of mail-in ballots.

可能要處理數百萬張郵寄選票。

Here is my worry.

這是我的擔心。

What polls show,

民調顯示。

and what studies have shown is that, for whatever reason,

而研究表明，不管是出於什麼原因。

Democrats are more likely to use mail-in ballots.

民主黨人更傾向於使用郵寄選票。

Republicans are more likely to walk into polling booths

共和黨人更容易走進投票站

on Election Day.

在選舉日。

It is likely that the first votes that will be counted

很有可能首先計算的是投票。

will be those people who came in on Election Day,

將是那些在選舉日到來的人。

which will be Republican.

這將是共和黨的。

And here is the fear --

而這裡的恐懼是...

and I hope everybody hears it --

我希望每個人都能聽到它 -

it could well be -- you know,

它很可能是 - 你知道，

I don't know what's going to happen -- nobody does.

我不知道會發生什麼... 沒有人知道。

But it could well be that, at 10:00 on election night,

但很可能是，在選舉當晚10點。

Trump is winning in Michigan, he's winning in Pennsylvania,

特朗普在密歇根贏了，他在賓夕法尼亞也贏了。

he's winning in Wisconsin,

他在威斯康星州獲勝。

and he gets on the television and he says,

他得到在電視上，他說，

"Thank you, Americans, for re-electing me.

"謝謝你們，美國人，感謝你們再次選舉我。

It's all over. Have a good day."

都結束了。祝你愉快。"

But then, the next day and the day following,

但是，第二天和後天。

all of those mail-in ballots start getting counted,

所有這些郵寄的選票開始被計算。

and it turns out that Biden has won those states.

而事實證明，拜登贏得了這些州。

At which point Trump says,

這時特朗普說。

"See? I told whole thing was fraudulent.

"看到了吧，我說過整個事情都是騙人的。

I told you those mail-in ballots were crooked.

我告訴過你那些郵寄的選票是假的。

And I got -- you know, we're not going to leave office."

而我有 - 你知道，我們不會離開辦公室。"

So that is a worry that I and a lot of people have.

所以，這是我和很多人的擔心。

So, the results -- you know, we don't know what's happened.

所以，結果 - 你知道，我們不知道發生了什麼。

-Sure. -Maybe the results will be known

-好的 也許結果會被知道

on election night.

在選舉之夜。

But people should be aware of that possibility.

但人們應該意識到這種可能性。

-I know that you have been working

-我知道你一直在工作

with people running in Texas.

與人在德州跑。

Why is Texas important now?

為什麼德州現在很重要？

I feel like a lot of people are highlighting Texas.

我覺得很多人都在強調德州。

-I think that Texas may be -- in many ways,

-我認為德克薩斯可能是 - 在許多方面。

Texas is the future of progressive politics in America.

德州是美國進步政治的未來。

Historically, because there has been a lot of voter suppression,

從歷史上看，因為有很多選民被打壓。

Texas is one of the states

德州是其中一個州

where their Republican state government has,

他們的共和黨州政府在哪裡有。

for a long time,

長久以來。

tried to make it as difficult as possible for people to vote.

試圖讓人們儘可能地難以投票。

But you have folks over there -- Beto O'Rourke and others

但那邊的人... Beto O'Rourke和其他人...

are doing a great job registering people,

正在做好人員登記工作。

getting people to vote.

讓人們去投票；

The bottom line is that if Texas becomes a blue state

最重要的是，如果德克薩斯州成為一個藍色的州。

and a progressive state, as I think it can --

和一個進步的國家，因為我認為它可以...

it has a lot of young people.

它有很多年輕人。

It has a lot of Latinos, a lot of African-Americans.

它有很多拉美人，很多非裔美國人。

It can become a progressive state.

它可以成為一個進步的國家。

And if that happens,

如果發生這種情況。

and if those 38 electoral votes go Democratic,

如果這38張選舉人票投給民主黨，

then we've changed the face of American politics.

那麼我們已經改變了美國政治的面貌。

-Wow. I think that would be --

-哇，我想這將是...我認為這將是 -

that would be -- I mean, are people predicting that?

這將是 - 我的意思是，人們預測的？

Or this is just your people?

還是說這只是你們的人？

-There's no question the trend is with us.

-毫無疑問，趨勢是我們的。

What we don't know is how it plays out this election.

我們不知道的是，這次選舉的結果如何。

And to those people out there who say,

而對於外面那些人說。

"Oh, Texas is a conservative state" --

"哦，德州是一個保守的州" --

trust me, it is not.

相信我，它不是。

You have some great, great progressive candidates

你有一些偉大的，偉大的進步候選人

who are running for office who stand a great chance to win,

誰在競選辦公室誰有很大的機會贏得。

and the future is with progressive politics in Texas.

和未來是與進步的政治在得克薩斯州。

-It will be interesting to watch what happens in Texas.

-這將是有趣的觀察德克薩斯發生的事情。

Bernie Sanders, thank you so much for coming back to my show.

伯尼-桑德斯，非常感謝你回到我的節目中來。

And give my best to the grandkids.

並把我最好的東西給孫子。

I know we always talk about them every time you're on.

我知道每次你上臺我們都會談論他們。

And, God, you always smile every time I bring them up.

還有，上帝啊，每次我提起他們的時候，你總是微笑著。

But I appreciate you coming back on the show.

但我很感謝你回來上節目。

It means a lot to me, so thank you.

這對我意義重大，所以謝謝你。

Senator Bernie Sanders, everyone.

伯尼-桑德斯參議員，各位。