We saw Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

我們看到了Kareem Abdul Jabbar。

We saw Magic Johnson point out, Max, that little girls everywhere you have three little girls can now look up to Jeanie Buss and say, I could be an owner.

我們看到魔術師約翰遜指出，馬克斯，各地的小女孩你有三個小女孩，現在可以仰望珍妮-布斯說，我可以成為一個老闆。

She was the first ever female owner to win a championship.

她是有史以來第一位獲得冠軍的女老闆。

Now we potentially have Jennifer Lopez, who is also a minority.

現在我們有可能有詹妮弗-洛佩茲，她也是少數派。

On top of that, how important would that be for the city and for sports in general?

除此之外，這對城市和整個體育事業有多重要？

Toe open that door to her, especially not just female Puerto Rican female in New York City.

趾向她打開那扇門，尤其是不只是紐約市的波多黎各女性。

It's It's perfect.

這是... 這是完美的。

Um, let's put it this way in terms of the symbolism of things and how that matters.

嗯，我們這樣說吧，從事物的象徵意義和重要性來說。

My eldest daughter, who plays basketball out, you know, they grow fast at this age.

我的大女兒，她在外面打籃球，你知道的，他們這個年紀長得很快。

She's almost 12 outgrew her basketball sneakers.

她快12歲了，籃球運動鞋都穿不上了。

So we're looking online last night for new sneakers.

所以我們昨晚在網上找新的運動鞋。

So we're looking at K.

所以我們在看K。

D S and Chire ease and all this and I'm thinking, Wait a minute.

D S和Chire ease等等這些，我在想，等一下。

Seattle Storm.

西雅圖風暴。

Just one that W MBA championship.

只是一個，W MBA冠軍。

They got a slew of stars on that team.

他們隊裡有很多明星。

Do they have any, you know, Sue birds or right Briana Stewart or something like that.

他們有什麼，你知道，蘇小鳥或右布麗安娜-斯圖爾特或類似的東西。

No, they don't.

不，他們沒有。

Sue Bird has one collab with Kyrie there.

蘇伯德與凱里有一次合作，有。

No W N b A kicks.

沒有W N B A踢。

There are lots of little girls who play basketball.

有很多打籃球的小姑娘。

And by the way, even though you think no little boys wouldn't want him If you make a fresh sneaker, people buy it, period, right and there are none.

順便說一句，即使你認為沒有小男孩不會要他 如果你做了一雙新鮮的運動鞋，人們就會買它，就這樣，對吧，沒有人買。

And you think that stuff doesn't make a difference?

你覺得這些東西沒有區別嗎？

It does.

確實如此。

It really does.

確實如此。

If you see no examples of someone like you in a certain position, it sends a powerful message.

如果你沒有看到像你這樣的人在某個崗位上的例子，就會傳遞出一個強有力的資訊。

Even if it's subliminal or were not conscious, it sends a powerful message that this isn't for you.

即使它是潛意識的，或者是沒有意識到的，它也會發出一個強大的資訊，這不適合你。

So I think it has significance.

所以我覺得它有意義。

Yes, anyone can speak to that.

是的，誰都可以說到做到。

It Stephen a being a black man, Absolutely.

斯蒂芬是個黑人，當然。

But I will tell you this.

但我要告訴你

I love me some J.

我愛我一些J。

Lo and I've become friends with a Rod, and I got love for him, and I wish that they were the new owners of the New York Mets.

羅和我成為了一個羅德的朋友，我對他有了愛，我希望他們是紐約大都會隊的新主人。

Here's where I ve left and I turned against this idea.

這就是我離開的地方，我反對這個想法。

I do not like the fact that Bill de Blasio, the mayor of New York City, would have anything to do.

我不喜歡紐約市市長比爾-德布拉西奧會有什麼事。

In other words, you knew that s a C financial.

換句話說，你知道那是一個C級金融。

Steve Cohen's company had pled guilty to securities and wire fraud when he was in pursuit of the team.

史蒂夫-科恩的公司在追捕球隊時，曾對證券和電訊詐騙認罪。

All of these months, you step in at that particular moment in time and UNIX it if you weren't in a way while negotiations were going on all this time.

這幾個月來，你在那個特殊的時刻介入，UNIX它，如果你不是在某種程度上，而談判一直在進行。

Okay, To come in the back door now and say Halt, that's not right.

好吧，現在從後門進來說 "停"，這是不對的。

But I think it's I think it's the law on my thing is, why should Cohen be rewarded by having poor behavior?

但我認為這是我認為這是法律對我的事情是，為什麼科恩應該有不良行為的獎勵？

Then again, it's the privilege.

再就是，這就是特權。

Well, again, we talk about his company, not him.

好吧，再說一遍，我們說的是他的公司，不是他。

So again, that that plays a role in its wire fraud and all that stuff.

所以，這又在其電訊詐騙和所有的東西中起到了作用。

But you were negotiating for the Mets all this time, So if you said if you had a problem with him, step in while the negotiations going on and tell a match you need to find a new owner.

但你一直在為大都會隊談判，所以如果你說，如果你對他有意見，就在談判進行的時候出面，告訴對方你需要找一個新的老闆。

You don't need to do this guy because he has this on his record to sit up there and allow this negotiation to take place for months, if not years, Toe.

你不需要做這個傢伙，因為他有這個記錄，坐在上面讓這個談判進行幾個月，甚至幾年，託伊。

Let it go through knowing all of that stuff for the MLB owners to approve it as well.

讓它通過知道這些東西，讓MLB的老闆也準許。

And then you the mayor of New York City, who A lot of people got questions about his damn self by the way to then come in and say, Well, you know what?

然後你紐約市的市長，誰得到了很多人的問題 關於他該死的自己的方式，然後進來說， 好了，你知道嗎？

We're going to nix that because of this security, You know, this wire fraud and all of that stuff.

我們要取消，因為這個安全， 你知道，這電詐和所有的東西。

I don't like that if you wanted.

我不喜歡這樣，如果你想。

If you had a problem with it, have a problem with it from day one, when they negotiate telling met, you not get somebody else sell the team to somebody else because I'm not going to approve this guy.

如果你有問題，從第一天開始就有問題，當他們談判的時候告訴遇見，你不要找別人把球隊賣給別人，因為我不會準許這個人。

Okay, so let me ask you this.

好吧，所以讓我問你這個問題。

But what about the symbolism being a New Yorker, being a minority, having little girls of having a minority female owner in sports?

但作為一個紐約人，作為一個少數族裔，有小女孩在體育界有一個少數族裔女老闆的象徵意義呢？

There's 150 North American franchises.

北美有150家加盟店。

There's, uh, Shad Khan and Michael Jordan, and that's it.

有，呃，沙德-汗和邁克爾-喬丹，僅此而已。

Well, first of all, we've already spoke about this.

好吧，首先，我們已經談過這個問題了。

On first take, we know that I'm in complete support of J.

一看就知道，我是完全支持J。

Lo and a Rod owning this team.

羅和一個羅德擁有這支球隊。

I wanted them to own this team.

我希望他們能擁有這支球隊。

I talked about the symbolism of J.

我談到了J的象徵意義。

Lo being an owner and major league.

羅作為一個老闆和大聯盟。

But I happen to know she wants to do it.

但我碰巧知道她想這麼做。

She wants to be.

她想成為。

She wishes she was in that position.

她希望自己也在那個位置上。

I got all of that.

我得到了這一切。

All I'm saying is that MLB knew that Mayor Bill de Blasio knew that Steve Cohen knew that the Wilpons knew that.

我想說的是，MLB知道比爾-德-布拉西奧市長知道史蒂夫-科恩知道威爾彭斯知道。

Yet all of these negotiations were going on all this time.

然而這些談判一直都在進行。

The fact that everybody in baseball signed off on this and then Bill de Blasio gets to come in and say, Excuse me, you got at least with the city As a result, this guy, his company has got a felony record.

事實上，每個人都在棒球簽署了這一點，然後比爾-德布拉西奧得到進來說，對不起，你有至少與城市的結果，這傢伙，他的公司已經得到了一個重罪記錄。

So guess what?

所以你猜怎麼著？

I'm gonna do this.

我要去做這個。

That's that's a bad press.

那是... ...那是個壞消息。

One of the hard things about athletes or celebrities owning teams is you know, their equity stake in the in the purchase is not gonna be what these hedge fund guys or they don't have the same kind of money.

運動員或名人擁有球隊的難處之一是，你知道，他們在購買中的股權不會是這些對沖基金的人或他們沒有同樣的錢。

That's why you have tens of millions and even sometimes hundreds, but not billions.

這就是為什麼你有幾千萬，甚至有時有幾億，但沒有幾十億。

Although sometimes these hedge fund guys are very leverage and I actually have the billions either.

雖然有時候這些對沖基金的人槓桿率很高，其實我也有幾十億。

Right?

對吧？

Um, Magic Johnson fronted the group that bought the Dodgers right?

嗯，魔術師約翰遜是買下道奇隊的集團的頭頭，對吧？

So that's that's minority ownership, although if he clearly fronted the group, his equity stake himself wasn't the same.

所以這就是就是少數股權，雖然他明明是集團的幌子，但他自己的股權也不一樣。

Although his celebrity, his personal relationships absolutely seemed to help with the purchase Derek J.

雖然他的名氣很大，但他的個人關係似乎絕對有助於購買德里克-J。

Lo's would to Derek Jeter in Miami.

羅的會到邁阿密的德里克-杰特。

And he was criticized right, but on bclay rly his equity stake.

而他被責備的權利，但在bclay rly他的股權。

And he made hundreds of million dollars but was not what it would be from a billionaire owning that, like, you know, putting a billion dollars right?

而他賺了幾億美元，但並不是從一個億萬富翁擁有的，就像，你知道，把十億美元吧？

And yet how'd it work out for the Dodgers with Magic fronting the group there in the world?

然而世界上有魔術師在那裡帶隊，道奇隊的效果如何呢？

Siri's and knotted up 11?

Siri的和結了11?

They're in the playoffs every year.

他們每年都能進入季後賽。

How has it worked out with Derek Jeter so far, who took a lot of criticism?

德里克-杰特承受了很多責備，到目前為止，他的工作情況如何？

He's leveraged, and he's trying to do this and trying to do that.

他是槓桿，他想做這個，想做那個。

I know they expanded the plan on my win with Miami, made the playoffs, so eso so the idea that no, there's someone who's kind of more financially able to get it done.

我知道他們在我和邁阿密的勝利上擴大了計劃，打進了季後賽，所以eso所以的想法是，不，有一個人是那種更有經濟能力的人，可以完成它。

I don't know if I buy that, and I would I think, the symbolism and the kind of, uh the kind of sense that give people if if J.

我不知道如果我買了，我會我認為，象徵意義和那種，呃，那種感覺，給人如果如果J。

Lo and A Rod were to buy the team.

羅和阿棒要買下這支球隊。

There is value in that, whether or not that's the best ownership group.

不管那是不是最好的所有權集團，都是有價值的。

And that's the best reason that even the reason that there is value in it that yeah, But to me, that's not the point.

這就是最好的理由，甚至是原因 有價值的，是的，但對我來說，這不是問題的關鍵。

The point is, politics is getting involved when you get the pick.

關鍵是，當你得到選秀權的時候，政治就會介入。

Excuse me, You don't get toe own the team after all of this is going on.

對不起，在發生這些事後，你就不能擁有這個團隊了。

That's a dangerous precedent.

這是個危險的先例。

Descent.

後裔：

That's all I'm saying.

這就是我想說的。

I would love J.

我很喜歡J。

Lo, but that president rejecting, Uh, yeah.

羅，但那個總統拒絕，呃，是的。

For women everywhere, it would mean a lot.

對於各地的女性來說，這將意味著很多。

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感謝您在YouTube上觀看ESPN的體育直播和優質內容。

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訂閱ESPN，加。