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  • the waves are flat and what better way

  • to stay fit and in the game by going for

  • a surf skate. Today I'm trying out two

  • different board brands arguably the two

  • biggest in the game to see which one I

  • like better let's get into it. if you're

  • new here my name is Kyle I'm a filmmaker

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  • @kalesbroccoli Here's what's coming up

  • look that was fun that's cool let's try

  • the SmoothStar

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  • I'm gonna be testing for three main

  • things well after a big morning let's

  • chat about the verdict it just wasn't as

  • responsive but definitely take that with

  • me yeah what it feels like it'd be like

  • a wider long longer board. I remember

  • when I was 18 I was up the coast and I

  • was surfing with some friends and before

  • they went out in the water they just

  • brought out all these surf skates and

  • they rode them and I remember trying it

  • back then and I hated it, hated it so I

  • didn't touch another surf skate for

  • about eight years. Um full transparency I've

  • been using SmoothStar boards with

  • clients mostly for the past year so I'm

  • quite familiar with how they work I

  • haven't used Carver's a lot

  • this one looks sick though if you have a

  • look at it, I mean it kind of looks like

  • a mini surfboard this is their

  • collaboration with mayhem it's really

  • cool

  • the truck seems a lot stiffer than the

  • SmoothStar this one tends to be, that

  • might be because I've used this one more

  • it's a little bit looser but I don't

  • know it could be good it could be a bad

  • thing I'm interested to see which one I

  • like more this one definitely looks

  • cooler. The surfskates really are a

  • fantastic way to get repetitive on land

  • training in for surfing one of the

  • biggest challenges with surfing is that

  • unless you're in a wave pool it's pretty

  • hard to get lots of waves on demand to

  • just try tricks over and over again. By

  • skating we can line up and repeat our

  • current training at a high frequency

  • leading to faster progression. When I was

  • younger I used to skate a bunch but only

  • on regular boards these surfskates

  • differ in their overall shape and in

  • their front trucks. These front trucks

  • rotate which changes the way the board

  • moves across the ground and how it

  • responds to your body movements,

  • that's the theory anyway. So today I'm

  • going to be testing for three main

  • things. The first one is speed generation

  • and flow so that is how effectively each

  • board simulates and responds to what I

  • consider proper speed generation

  • technique. Number two I'm going to be

  • testing for rotational potential so that

  • is how tight of an arc I can create

  • without kicking the tail and lifting the

  • front of the board upwards. This will

  • essentially form the basis for maneuver

  • training. And number three practicality

  • this is just getting from A to B so if

  • you want to check the surf or head

  • down the shops, which board would you be

  • more likely to use and which one would

  • be just more enjoyable and easy.

  • Importantly I'm also going to ask any

  • strangers or surfers who rock up today

  • will see to test the boards as well just

  • to eliminate any kinetic bias because I

  • have been working with SmoothStar for the

  • last year

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  • Speed generation on a wave starts with

  • the upper torso creating a twisting and

  • talking pressure on the hips and then

  • the feet which should drive into the

  • board and then press us forward. By

  • creating an undulating flowing motion

  • with the body you can move up and down

  • the wave to build speed before releasing

  • it into a big maneuver. It's an essential

  • part of surfing because all turns have

  • speed generation technique as their

  • foundation. Let's try the Carver first

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  • that was fun that's cool let's try this

  • SmoothStar

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  • Speed generation super close I just

  • found that when I was on the carver it

  • took a little bit to get going and

  • probably felt like it was more similar

  • to riding like a big fish or something.

  • It just didn't want it, it didn't respond

  • as actively as the SmoothStar did. I felt

  • like once it was going I could keep up

  • the flow quite nicely on the Carver but

  • it just took a little bit more and also

  • turning it felt like my legs were

  • burning a lot more. It took a lot more

  • work to get the board to turn but I felt

  • like the smoothStar was just sort of more

  • responsive, a lot more responsive and

  • then once I was going I kind of, I had to

  • keep up the flow which is probably more,

  • which is a lot closer to surfing

  • there was less of a skateboard feel

  • about it and it just tended to move a lot

  • more actively and be a little bit more

  • responsive in how it turned and things

  • like that. So I think speed generation

  • and flow I'm gonna give it to the SmoothStar

  • by one or two points. Midway

  • through our test somebody told me that

  • Carver have a more surf specific

  • truck, the c7 than the one I'm currently

  • using on the mayhem model the CX. So I

  • managed to get my hands on a setup that

  • has a c7 system underneath to try that

  • too. To be honest I'm still not super

  • impressed with the responsiveness of the

  • system. It's not just about pumping

  • forward either but also how the board

  • doesn't seem to flow between maneuvers

  • as well. On the Carver I find myself

  • losing speed once I do a turn compared

  • to the SmoothStar which tends to roll

  • between turns just like a surfboard

  • would. It responds really well to me

  • getting compressed and low and then

  • extending into the next turn which mind

  • you is an area of surfing that I have to

  • focus on with all my students

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  • Now let's ask someone else's opinion

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  • Okay yep and then up then clap over here

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  • Oh good it felt sort of easier to that

  • than the other one

  • yeah the other one felt harder to I get

  • used to no but this one's sort of more

  • fun I think yeah and you get going yeah

  • oh actually I don't know it was pretty

  • fun yeah

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  • The Carver feels like it'd be like a

  • wider long longer board whereas the

  • SmoothStar feels like a predominant

  • like performance shortboard. Now let's

  • compare the Carver and the SmoothStar

  • for rotational potential. Good rotation

  • in surfing is super important if you're

  • looking to add a spark to all your turns

  • to be able to flow dynamically across

  • the wave whilst expressing power output

  • through your maneuvers. I'm trying to

  • work through a forehand top turn here

  • and also throwing in a few roundhouse

  • cutbacks. These will help engage the

  • relative cross over to surfing of each

  • board. Ideally I want to see tight

  • controllable turning arcs which don't

  • lose speed throughout.

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  • [Applause]

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  • Oh

  • in this test the SmoothStar really outshone

  • the Carver by a long way at least a

  • few points. I'm guessing the differences

  • mainly attributed to the technology in

  • the truck. If you look at all three from

  • the side when you rotate the truck you

  • can notice some differences in the way

  • they respond and the angle at which they

  • turn

  • I think the angles on the SmoothStar

  • allow for a smoother turn with sharper

  • rotational potential and this translates

  • into better performance. Definitely a

  • performance that more closely matches

  • surfing. Importantly on a surfboard you

  • can't just push along on the wave to

  • build speed. You need to pop-up and get

  • going immediately and if we compare the

  • three boards in the immediate speed

  • potential which is a reflection of

  • responsiveness in the board SmoothStar

  • once again takes the cake.

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  • Now let's run the boards through their

  • final test,

  • practicality getting from A to B. This

  • test is for those who don't really care

  • about surf specific carryover or

  • training. It's for those who just want a

  • board to go and check the surf from

  • their house before paddling out or to

  • cruise around at the skatepark

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  • 22.67 seconds from

  • the end sign to this last van. now I'm

  • gonna try the SmoothStar. The SmoothStar

  • with 24.94

  • basically 25 seconds so only

  • over 100 meters so it's quite a

  • significant time difference and I also

  • had to put in some more pumps so this

  • one definitely SmoothStar was not as

  • fast. Perhaps not as practical as getting

  • from A to B. Let's wrap up everything and

  • give you guys a final analysis. Overall I

  • definitely think that for surf training

  • for surf specific carryover it's very

  • hard to go past the SmoothStar simply

  • because I think it better mimics the

  • surf movements required to rip and get

  • moving. This is probably a reflection of

  • the ethos of the brand itself SmoothStar

  • have been from the get-go all

  • about surfing and I think the boards are

  • a result of that. Being so responsive

  • they are definitely harder for a beginner

  • to get used to but so is surfing

  • and if "surfing better" is your goal then

  • it makes sense to me to challenge

  • yourself and train with the most

  • specific tools you can. SmoothStar is

  • just that specific to surfing. Carver I'll

  • give it to them are typically seen as a

  • cooler brand appealing more likely to

  • the aesthetics rather than function with

  • the biggest example of this being the

  • small area to place your back foot on

  • the mayhem model. So I don't like my foot

  • hanging off the edge so much. To achieve

  • a surfboard shape and sacrifice that

  • area at the back for your back foot

  • which is incredibly important I felt

  • like it's just an indicator that their

  • priorities are maybe out of place. I

  • think I'd rather something functional.

  • Now the cover was much easier for my lab

  • rats to adapt to because they respond

  • less and a more stable but this could

  • have its drawbacks

  • beginners aren't likely to develop

  • stronger balanced riding the Carver and

  • intermediate surfers aren't likely to

  • practice more radical turns on it either.

  • One of the most telling side-by-sides I

  • think we can look at from this test is

  • the rotational potential. We see on the

  • Carver's that my body is unable to

  • really come off center something

  • required in surfing to turn really well.

  • This is because the trucks won't flex

  • enough to allow it. On the SmoothStar

  • you can see I'm well off-center and if

  • we compare this to surfing it's actually

  • a really close simulation.

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  • For me Carver generally feels a little bit

  • locked up. Even the videos that I've seen

  • of the pros or whoever uses Carver they

  • all seem to be more drawn out unless

  • their tail sliding. But I'm not a big fan

  • of tail sliding on skateboards for ocean

  • training because it's a lot harder

  • to tail slide with three fins under you

  • in the water. So I think that overall the

  • SmoothStar definitely takes the cake

  • when it comes to surf training but if

  • you're just looking for a board to get

  • from A to B to leave the house, grab a

  • coffee, go and check the surf and come

  • home that's where I can see going more

  • towards a regular skate board which is

  • which I think what this is, could be an

  • advantage. For me especially as a coach

  • and especially someone interested in

  • improving surf performance I think 100%

  • I'll go with the SmoothStar every time.

  • That one over there. What's that one called? That's called the

  • SmoothStar. That's definitely a little

  • bit harder to get used to if you haven't

  • skated too much before. And that one

  • super fun, super easy to get used to

  • yeah but definitely take that with me. If

  • you had to pick one that was closer to

  • surfing which one? Definitely

  • SmoothStar yeah definitely.

  • Just the movements I guess are pretty

  • similar to surfing and would help to

  • progress I guess with your surfing as

  • well. So for someone wanting a surf

  • trainer which one do they get? Definitely

  • The SmoothStar for sure.

  • Having the Carver being a tighter board

  • it feels like it'd be like a wider long

  • longer board. Whereas the SmoothStar

  • feels like a predominant, like

  • performance shortboard. For someone

  • running an A to B cruiser what do they get?

  • Definitely a Carver. If you're just looking

  • to get from A to B yeah the Carver for sure. If you

  • enjoyed this video be sure to subscribe

  • to the channel and let me know in the

  • comments which is your favourite surf

  • technique to practice using the surfskates.

  • I'll be sure to upload more

  • content based off your feedback all of

  • it so that you can improve your surfing

  • as quickly and effectively as possible.

  • Remember you can join me on Instagram as

  • well

  • @kalesbroccoli to be up to date with

  • the latest surf retreats I'm running an

  • online coaching I can offer. Until then

  • keep shredding

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