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  • (lively orchestral music)

  • (Email message tone)

  • - Oh look, those guys at (beep) have a new bike.

  • - Let me guess.

  • This one's five millimeters longer

  • and one degree slacker, Kaz?

  • - Let's see; actually, six millimeters longer.

  • - It's ridiculous.

  • All these companies, they're trying to cram

  • evolutionary down our throat as revolutionary.

  • Just jump in with two feet already.

  • - Wait, aren't you the guy that's always saying

  • that bikes are getting too long and too slack?

  • - Seriously, why are we wasting our time

  • with this bullshit, Kaz?

  • I'm gonna make an Enduro bike.

  • I'm gonna make it slack and long.

  • It's gonna be like it's from the future.

  • - You're gonna make an Enduro bike?

  • Yeah, I'd like to see that.

  • (chimes)

  • - Dude, be the judge you wanna be, dude.

  • (intense humming sound)

  • - Do you guys remember that old guy

  • that used to work for Pinkbike a few years ago?

  • He went over to Taiwan to look into this.

  • - And we're gonna use this to start our own brand.

  • So, what would that cost?

  • - $250.

  • - That's 250? - 250 U.S. dollar.

  • - You've got to factor that in.

  • It's not a case of coming here with your suitcase

  • of cash and saying, "Make me some bikes."

  • - So, how hard can it actually be, right?

  • (chimes)

  • (upbeat techno music)

  • To figure out what bikes are gonna be like

  • in a decade, all you have to do is

  • go back ten years and apply that change

  • to what we're using now.

  • It's simple math.

  • (upbeat techno music)

  • So these days, okay sixty-nine degree head angles.

  • Now they're sixty-three, so in ten years,

  • they're gonna be fifty-seven.

  • Why can't these idiots see that?

  • Fifty-seven.

  • (upbeat techno music)

  • It's so long, it's so slack.

  • So many water bottle bosses,

  • I'm getting hydrated just thinking about it.

  • (upbeat techno music)

  • Yes, okay.

  • Off to Taiwan.

  • (jazzy drum music)

  • After thirteen hours in the back of the plane,

  • I'm here in Taiwan, double-fisting bubble teas

  • at the Taipei Cycle Show.

  • Now, if you want a frame made, this is the place to come.

  • It's full of people and companies.

  • Follow me inside, and let's get it done.

  • Hey, I'm Mike, how are you?

  • - I'm Jamie. - Jamie.

  • - Yeah. - Check this out.

  • What do you think of that?

  • - So, you want to make this bike, or...

  • - [Mike] I would want to make this bike.

  • This is my dream bike.

  • What do you think?

  • - Hmm...

  • This looks weird.

  • - It's your design?

  • - This is my design. I came up with this.

  • - I think it's not good for normal bikes.

  • - All right, so you want a bottle on your down teeth?

  • - Yeah, it's really important to stay hydrated.

  • - This looks garbage. - Garbage.

  • I thought it looked pretty good.

  • It had all the right angles.

  • You could put three bottles on there.

  • - No one designs like this.

  • - Your downhill is totally a disaster.

  • - So, minimum order quantity, five hundred frames,

  • that's where I start, okay?

  • How much money do I have to bring you?

  • - $600 per frame.

  • - Per frame. - Yeah.

  • - Without a shock? - Without shock.

  • - So, $100,000 to $200,000 to start?

  • - Yeah.

  • - Because you wanted to have a fiber--

  • - Custom carbon.

  • - So, I think the minimum cost you're gonna take

  • is at least $100,000 U.S. dollars.

  • - $100,000, okay.

  • So, I should go back to the drawing board it sounds like.

  • (laughs) And come up with 100 grand.

  • - Yeah. - Okay.

  • Garbage, garbage my ass.

  • Look at these things.

  • This thing's the (beep) future.

  • How slack it is, it's got all those

  • (beep) water bottles in it.

  • I'm gonna find somebody.

  • So, I've just got back to the hotel room

  • after spending all day walking around

  • the Taipei Cycle Show talking to frame manufacturers,

  • and you know what?

  • It's not looking very good.

  • Not only do they not like my frame design,

  • they also don't like the suspension design.

  • So, we're back here, and I need some advice,

  • so I'm gonna call up some industry experts

  • and get exactly that.

  • Hey, Cesar.

  • - Hey, how are you doing?

  • - So, I'm in Taiwan right now, and I'm trying to get

  • my dream bike made, like we came here,

  • I've got a drawing.

  • I know the general idea.

  • I've gone to a few factories, and I'm having a hard time

  • finding somebody who wants to make my bike (laughs).

  • And I have heard that you kind of went through

  • the same process, and you ended up actually

  • deciding to make your bikes in Spain.

  • - Yeah, right, I mean, for us, for sure,

  • for a small brand it's hard to start in Taiwan.

  • It's a lot of investment there,

  • and getting all quantities, and all that.

  • It's doable, but still, for us, it was a matter

  • of doing it ourselves and learning the process,

  • so it was not actually the pain of going to Taiwan,

  • because it ended up being more pain doing it here.

  • But, anyway, still we know it's a big struggle.

  • I mean, the difficult part of all this

  • is that the know-how is in Asia.

  • - It's not here with me, that's for sure (laughs).

  • Okay, so, would you do it again though?

  • Let's go back to where you started.

  • Would you do it again?

  • - I mean, being honestly, I would say

  • I would probably make a couple.

  • You know, when it was (audio cuts out),

  • we're just finishing the last model in this week.

  • - [Mike] Yeah.

  • - Took us a long, long time, so being honest,

  • I would definitely do one or two of the models here

  • ourselves to kind of learn, but I would have

  • probably done one or two in Asia and then switch

  • slowly into completely manufactured in Barcelona.

  • - Okay, all right, so it sounds like

  • what I should do is maybe stick to Taiwan manufacturing,

  • see if I could find somebody there,

  • and see what I come up with.

  • It's probably not gonna end up being that dash

  • that you made, but it'll be fun anyway (laughs).

  • - Yeah, for sure.

  • - All right, Cesar, thank you for your help, man.

  • I'll let you know how it goes.

  • (Skype ringtone)

  • - Hey, Mike, what's up?

  • - [Mike] Hey, Dave, how's it going?

  • - Good, buddy, what are you doing?

  • - I'm trying to make my dream bike,

  • and the suspension design that I came up with,

  • I'm getting a lot of no's from the people here.

  • - This looks garbage.

  • - It's a high-pivot, dual-link with a chain idler design,

  • but I don't think it's gonna work,

  • so basically, I'm wondering if you could help me

  • with the suspension design.

  • So, I'm looking for something long traveled,

  • about a hundred and eighty millimeters,

  • so obviously like Enduro, all mountain intentions.

  • You know I would like it to be a high-pivot in idler,

  • 'cause that's the way that all the fast bikes

  • seem to be going.

  • - Amen. - Yeah.

  • But I don't know where to start.

  • I don't have a clue here.

  • - You know, normally, with a fab shop,

  • with a really good fab shop, you can build some

  • aluminum test mules, and that might

  • take you about a year to get to the point--

  • - A year. - Where you're ready to start

  • actually designing your bike.

  • Like 50 to 75 K per iteration

  • of just being able to go and ride test this thing.

  • What about patent protection?

  • Is that gonna be important to your company?

  • - I haven't even thought of it,

  • but I think I would like the design

  • to be exclusive to me, wouldn't I?

  • Doesn't that make the most sense?

  • - You're talking a minimum of 300 K, U.S. dollars

  • for worldwide protection and a low level.

  • It's a super expensive prospect,

  • but for exclusivity, you pay.

  • - Dave, I'm gonna be honest with you.

  • All those numbers are much higher than I expected.

  • - [Dave] Yeah, it's real--

  • - Those are big numbers.

  • - I think those are real numbers, like you can spend more.

  • - [Mike] Yeah.

  • - And, you know, it kind of depends.

  • You gotta kind of decide what you want.

  • - Okay, Dave, I've got some thinking to do about this.

  • Thank you for your help.

  • I'll let you know how it goes.

  • - My pleasure, good luck, Mike man.

  • - Take care, Dave, see you later.

  • Okay, so I just got off Skype calls

  • with Cesar Rojo of Uno and Dave Weagle

  • of a hell of a lot of suspension designs,

  • and they've given me some great advice.

  • Some things are good, some things are bad.

  • Dave said I need a ton of money to start.

  • Probably 500 K.

  • I don't have any money.

  • Cesar recommended sticking to Asia for the manufacturing.

  • So, I think what all that means is we're gonna have to

  • start thinking about catalog frames.

  • Well, we're here in Taipei for the Taipei Cycle Show,

  • so let's head back into the show,

  • see if we can find some interesting catalog frames

  • that might work for what we want.

  • I've drank about ten bubble teas,

  • and I've been shut down about ten times.

  • But we have one more place to stop, and that's Genio.

  • They're a smaller outfit.

  • They produce about forty to fifty thousand frames a year,

  • compared to other places that do hundreds of thousands.

  • But they're known for their quality frames.

  • Hi. - Hi.

  • - Hey, I'm Mike. - Calvin.

  • - Nice to meet you, Calvin.

  • - What are you gonna show me?

  • - Well, it's my bike design.

  • Nobody else seems to like it.

  • I'm hoping you can make it for me.

  • - Okay.

  • - Let's have a look. - Let's have a look.

  • - Are you ready? - Yep.

  • Wow.

  • - What do you think?

  • Give it to me straight.

  • Wow, this looks pretty dumb.

  • - I put my heart and soul--

  • Oh. (both laugh)

  • Yeah, the setting is quite extreme,

  • and very forward thinking.

  • And three water bottles.

  • - Gotta stay hydrated.

  • - Wow, that's something pretty unique, yes.

  • - Can you help me with this?

  • - Yeah, we can have a try, but

  • there's a lot going on.

  • - There is, all right, let's sit down,

  • let's talk about this.

  • Show me what you got.

  • - [Mike Voiceover] When