Are you Are you missing?

Make this difficult time?

Yeah.

Yeah, sometimes complained and wind on the way to match.

You know what?

You gotta drive three or four hours like Norridge.

I was Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

What did you say?

Sometimes?

No, I mean you do, don't you?

You've got those long five hours or you've got the trains That sort of, you know, 10 o'clock at night, they'd get off one in the morning.

And you think, Oh, you're I've done two.

Sometimes you feel like the world is against you.

And then your moments like this and you just realize that you do anything to be back on the road, watching football on doing normal things.

It's It is unbelievable.

This one of the very few upsides off this, though, because everything is the same.

Boat is up.

We can't go to the studio now.

Comparable cost, in normal way is you get great snoop around people's houses when you're on Skype in.

I'm loving the decor.

You know, this is probably going in the background.

Well, she's got left.

What?

Those pictures off that one.

That's exactly Mick Jagger.

Keith Keith Richards just people, people, more people might not know This probably don't know this.

I was, uh Well, they believe I was single.

I think I was signal single in Manchester from the age of about 26 to 29 on dhe.

Um, I actually went on a massive photography binge in terms of just our photography.

I used to just walk out in the afternoon and just loved artwork and got into it and collected a lot.

And I've got I don't if you can see, I should take around in a bit If I could take you around, show you some of the outward, actually really proud.

It's the one thing I've kept with me for 17 18 years.

I never have any artwork of football in my house or souvenirs or memorabilia or anything like that.

But I do have obviously artwork of of like and photography.

So it's something that, actually I'm passionate about.

I mean, I have been fortunate Thio be been in your house, not the, you know, very fortunate.

Very fortunate.

Your wife did.

And outside of what will your passions are, uh, music and our armor on building?

Yeah.

I love I love.

I love our work.

We never have been on a holiday.

Wherever I've been in the world, I've always bought a piece of art from wherever I've bean.

Um, it could be a small thing.

It can be a little sculpture.

It could be a little drawer in It could be sketch.

It could be anything.

Andi.

I've always just done it and just always brought it back and hoarded it and just ended up putting upon the walls everywhere and just putting it around places.

So it's something that I am passionate about.

You have going on Spanish donkey minute in room.

What if during these seriously difficult time have you got Have you got trophies on your bookshelf there?

What are they for?

I have behind May Ah, I've got I've got a couple of my favorite books.

So a few of my favorite books there.

You have Alan Smith.

Got a heads up book must early on, but Cara just seems to read it.

Have you got a vinyl collection there?

At the bottom as well?

Yeah.

You see that?

Yeah, I could see that.

I'm on my bike down here.

You know, I do like the vinyl.

So, people, that's it.

That takes me.

But I just saw you know, you almost the referee.

Did you know John must referee?

He's got a violin shop in Leeds cold that I know.

Count there, Big final man.

Joe, I didn't know that, but I do remember when I was younger on a Sunday afternoon that would go into the front room.

We had the banks.

They lifted a two up, two down terrorists and we lived in the back room, off the kitchen, dining and then in the front room, which would never go.

And we all go in on Sunday afternoon and it would be ABBA or she Waddy Waddy basically played on playing on vinyl on a Sunday afternoon with the Kentucky That's Kentucky Fried Chicken Takeaway, which don't takeaway shop near is at the time a simple pleasure.

Some simple pleasure, son.

Now, I I'm not really sure I follow the next bit because, um, we can get together.

So we need a bit of ox script.

We need something to talk about because understanding bleak there is the focus is on the important things, which is Pope People's health and we're locked down, though.

And Father, I want to get me to anybody of fantastic what you and Ryan any partners have done with hope.

Sales.

Brilliant.

Brilliant gesture.

Um, they need a bit of a distraction.

It's definitely a bit of entertainment.

Must be old car.

Get that What we do because you and I are done counts in twos.

He should ring him and ask him about his time at Valencia.

Now I can see why that could mean a lot of other people, but until it's you that's gonna lift Gary spirit, I mean, the suicide even say the word Valencia.

What do you think?

Uh, massive lesson.

Um, in terms of allow improbably number things, really one sometimes no.

Is a great word on, I think, say no to the original offer, probably from Peter when he asked me to do it with such of us a short time frames to react from it on dhe.

Probably thinking that about people in your business partner is your partner of the number of different things, and it it was a very different scenario.

It's not like the chairman of the club now ring you up and say, God, I would like to speak.

Yeah, this is is a close personal friend and also a business associate.

So you probably viewed the request in a completely different fashion to being offered a job in football as it were.

Yeah.

I mean, I turned down to permanently enquiries and two championship enquiries, and probably the 18 months before I had no intention to go into management on.

Obviously, I was working as a coach under Roy, but I was doing Maur.

The video worked with Roy.

Roy and Ray were doing the coach and I was doing them or analysis type stuff that was doing on Sky on Dhe when Peter right May.

I just felt that he'd supported me and the lads in obviously sold for the end of the business ventures.

And you know, he didn't wantto bring a manager in part way through season because he knew that you wouldn't get the manager that he wanted.

He didn't want to rip the squad upon him, cost him a lot, and he wanted just somebody to navigate him to the end of the season that he trusted.

And I said, I said no.

Initially, I didn't think it was the right thing, but then eventually obviously wanted to do it for him.

So I think say no on being in sticking to where you are.

But I think also a little bit of arrogance, a little bit of ego.

I think at that point, if you remember, I've lived three months to 92 20 years I've gone to sky and gone well and you feel a little bit on breakable.

You feel a little bit so off in a position where you nothing's gonna go wrong when you're unprepared, you're not working his hardest something is all the people are when you take something on that you're not qualified in are not as qualified as you should be.

Then you get a slap round the face.

And to be fair, when I look back now, some of the decisions that I made the initial decision, obviously, But then the decisions that I made when I got there it was a massive learning for May.

I think it's helped may, even in the last couple of weeks, in respect of what's happened with this crisis in my business is and the hotels on the football club now act farm or despite decisively, I know at far more definitely than I've ever acted before because of Valencia, Where to be fair, I fluffed around a few decisions that I should have made, and I knew instinctively at the time that should have made big decisions and I didn't do.

I sort of thought I could get away with it and get it to the end, the seas, and then just steer the ship home to the sound that let someone else take it back out to sort of see again.

But it just never happened like that.

I've got a massive bloody nose when when you say it was, uh, ego driven and overly confident.

Did you only recognize that in hindsight at the time, did you think more angle?

You know, I'm analyzing football every week.

I'm analyzing football boy Hudson.

I have a 20 year career when the English clubs in the world a huge success in time.

Was it the case of thinking Well, I've seen how all the components work can't be that difficult to put it all together and not appreciating the difference between theory and practicality.

I think there's I think, that because I've never done it before.

I underestimated the difference between being a player, being a coach under a manager and then being the manager itself.

I own the most underestimated how difficult it would be in a different a different league, in a different city in a different country and the language barriers.

I underestimated the size of the job that was actually I was about to take on and he was gonna be difficult because the results weren't great.

I've been told by my brother was over there.

That dressing room was struggling, but there's the scale and size of it.

The only way I could describe Valencia in terms of a sort of hotbed of football.

It's a little bit like Liverpool.

It's a little bit like Newcastle.

It's like a ferocious city in the sense that it's it's fans.

If they take you in there, love you forever.

But if they don't take you in, they got a big, quite difficult with you quite quickly.

And I think that the ego in May said that I could handle anything.

I could do anything I could take anything on.

That was a confidence That was a belief I had which is good, but that you got off that perspective and awareness off.

I'm gonna second really book to this.

I've done this before.

Is this really the first job you gonna take him?

Football, Valencia.

You don't speak the language.

You don't know the league.

You don't know the away ground.

You don't know the referees.

You don't know the local media.

You don't know the national media Europe.

You're a stranger in a city that to be factors and expect you to come.

All those things I underestimated.

And it was my ego that felt I could get through anything and just take it in my stride.

That made me probably when I was over there, not realized.

How do you know how difficult it was gonna pay?

I don't think I saw the warning signs.

All the flashing lights quickly enough.

I think I probably should have seen the warning lights a lot quicker and got in there in crisis mold.

Rather going.

I think I could put it right straight away.

When you look back.

Now, can you see what those warning signs were?

What those flashing lights were?

Whether it be a smile, we think You should have said that to him.

I should have done that.

I should have done that once.

You're past the point.

Of course, taking the job in the first place.

That was an emotional decision.

Which, in fairness, knowing you is not normally you don't know me make emotional decisions.

Okay, so we move past that.

What if this doesn't sound like you?

Because you say you're you're no people.

People don't know you personally.

You're direct.

You all very you could be brutal in the way you normally are.

So when you say you're fluffing around and trying so cajoling alone that that diametrically opposed your natural character, Jeff, I planned everything in sort of three and five year back.

You know exactly what's gonna happen in the next three years.

Next five years?

What?

I want to get out of it.

I've always done the evening football with my career.

Terms of where I want to be.

The two instinctive decisions that I've made in my life.

Which of Valencia I know the night will be Manchester, which is obviously a very different thing.

I No, it didn't.

Jeff, The two.

The two instinctive decisions that I've made him up in my life in the last seven or eight years since football that I've just been instinctive.

Not really a great deal of thought behind it, not specialist in the industry, have failed On DDE.

You saw off after gold through those experiences, when you sort of make those types of decisions you dumped in the planning, giving them the thinking.

You've got the right partners on board with you in terms of you obviously going to go into an industry.

And when I talk about part, there's obviously that could be the the last thing that the last thing that the staff needed in Valencia was an experienced manager.

The last thing that I need you was inexperienced stuff.

We just didn't need each other, but all the stuff for an experience as well.

But when I went over the going over there thinking that I was gonna put this sort of framework in place for pizza to set him up for next season.

So I introduced a whole new data capture department with an analyst that took over.