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- Hello, everybody.
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This is Jack from tofluency.com,
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and today, Rodrigo and I are going to have a debate.
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- A debate? - Yeah.
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We are going to talk about, and we're going to debate
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who is better out of Messi and Ronaldo.
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And this is an opportunity for you
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to listen to natural English,
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and I will leave all the phrases that we use
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in the description, too,
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but first, Rodrigo is one of my good friends
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here in Nashville, and he is on the soccer team, too,
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so we talk soccer a lot, we play together,
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and we often talk about Ronaldo versus Messi.
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- I think anybody who enjoys soccer has this conversation.
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At least for our generation,
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they're the natural, who's one, who's number two?
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- Yeah.
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- I'm obviously, as we've talked about ofen,
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a big Ronaldo fan, and I think Messi's great,
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and he's been really good,
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but I don't think he overcomes Ronaldo.
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- Yeah, whereas I'm a big Ronaldo fan,
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but I see Messi as a level above.
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- I wonder, though, oftentimes most people,
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I think, think that, and I think it's also
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has a lot to do with Ronaldo's personality.
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- That is one thing, so--
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- Which I don't think should be taken into account.
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- I agree.
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I agree, I think 'cause people perceive Ronaldo
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to be quite single-minded,
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quite selfish on the pitch at times,
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whereas Messi is more reserved.
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He's seen more as a team player, I feel.
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- I think he just doesn't have very much personality.
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- No.
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- Like Ronaldo has personality,
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he wears his emotions on his sleeve.
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He's happy, everybody knows it.
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He's sad or angry, everybody knows it as well.
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And I don't know, I guess personally enjoy that.
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I wanna feel that energy or that excitement.
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- Yeah, he does bring that.
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- For sure. - Yeah.
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- And I think the other thing is
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what do you do outside of the club matters a lot
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because especially when you play at these super clubs,
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you're surrounded by so much talent,
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and when you get into that conversation
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of who's the greatest of all time,
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or who's the greatest of our generation, they're that good,
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if you're gonna have them in that conversation,
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they really need to raise the level of play around them,
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and be able to shine in less than ideal circumstances.
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- So do you place Ronaldo and Messi
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above players such as Zidane?
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- It's a little challenging because Zidane,
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I only watched him a little bit in the '98 World Cup,
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which is kind of on the backend of his career,
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and I was eight years old,
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and so it wasn't like I had a ton of exposure to him.
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But I would say that I would,
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maybe a better comparison for me is Beckham.
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'Cause I saw him play live one time
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when he was still with Real Madrid,
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and I would say, yeah, I would raise them above that
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because I think they've had a greater influence on the game,
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and of course, I'm biased.
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I'm way more familiar with them.
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- Yeah, and their stats are just
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out of this world. - Insane.
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- You can't compare their stats to any other player
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'cause it's just head and shoulders above
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what others have done recently.
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So, especially since,
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'cause Ronaldo, when he first came to England,
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he was very flashy.
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- Yes.
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- And people talked about how he had no end product.
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He couldn't provide that final cross,
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he couldn't score a goal.
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And then, there's an interview with Gary Neville,
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do you know Gary Neville?
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- Yep.
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- And he talked about,
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he just came back over the summer,
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and he was a completely different player.
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He was an animal, and that's when he started
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to just score all the time and provide goals.
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- I think that's one of my favorite things about Ronaldo
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and why I really think it puts him above Messi is
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Ronaldo has shown that he can change
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and adapt his style of play to what's needed
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or expected on him in different teams
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and in different stages of his career.
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To talk about Ronaldo, he used to be the speed guy,
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and now he's become the clinical finisher,
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now that he's lost some of that speed.
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And we've seen him have incredible careers
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in Portugal, England, Spain, and even now in Italy.
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That's really impressive,
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and not to mention everything he's done with Portugal,
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and at the national level,
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I think that's where you even have a bigger separation
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because I think there are less big-name players
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on the Portuguese soccer team
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than there are on the Argentinian soccer team,
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and yet, the difference of quality
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and what they mean to those teams is completely different.
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- Whereas I see the,
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'cause Ronaldo has done it at the international level.
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He won the European championships.
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He did come off injured early on in that game, but--
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- But that is actually I think one of his greatest,
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arguably one of the most important things.
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If you saw him that game,
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he was the most passionate player on the field,
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even though he was on the bench.
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And that was incredible.
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- Yup.
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I know what you mean, he was cheering the team on.
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He was passionate behind them.
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- His influence was still felt on the game.
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- But that team, that Portuguese team was quite negative,
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and they built a very solid team structure
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where Ronaldo put on the finishing touches,
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whereas I feel with Messi and Argentina,
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it's just been a mess over the last six, seven years,
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where they try and put in all these players
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without any type of strategy in place.
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- Agreed wholeheartedly,
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but then, how many times have you heard these articles
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or things where he made this, Ronaldo has this new coach,
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I forgot his name right now,
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Sarri I think, right? - Yeah.
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- Sarri went and talked to Ronaldo ahead of time
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to quote, unquote get signed off on the move, and why?
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Because Ronaldo's not just gonna sit by
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and let things happen around him.
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He's gonna be very aggressive and being like,
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no, if I'm on this team, we're going to do well,
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and so it's almost like Sarri had to make sure
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he had buy-in from Ronaldo 'cause if Ronaldo had agreed
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to whatever Sarri was doing,
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the rest of the team's gonna follow.
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You never hear about this from Messi.
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The chaos that's happened on the Argentinian national team,
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could you envision that being the case if Ronaldo was there?
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There's no way.
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- Oh, I think it would be.
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- He would just say, screw the coach,
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and just say, all right, you guys listen to me.
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This is how we're playing.
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And people would listen!
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And they do what he says!
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- I feel that's a hypothetical there.
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You couldn't ever test.
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I know I've seen this so many times over the years
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with Argentina, where they don't have any strategy.
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They'll just put out their three players up front,
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and it's just chaos.
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It seems like they're always playing scared, that team.
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From being from South America,
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you know the history with Argentina.
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- I mean, it is crazy.
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I mean, they've always been one of the giants there,
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but a very underperforming giant.
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- All right, so let's just talk about them
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as individual players,
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and we look at different parts of the game
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and say which one is better.
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- Okay.
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- So I'm gonna start with an easy one for Ronaldo.
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Heading.
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- Oh, well.
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(both laugh)
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When you've got, what, six to eight inches of height,
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yeah, you better win that one.
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- He is one the best headers of the ball I've seen.
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- Clinical.
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- He is incredible.
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Although there is a clip
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of Real Madrid and Barcelona playing,
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and Messi out-jumping Ronaldo.
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Everyone likes to look at that.
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- [Announcer] Messi.
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- Okay, so heading without a doubt.
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This is an interesting one, finishing.
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- I would probably...
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Ooh, that is a tough one.
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- Who would you trust with a one-on-one
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with the goalkeeper more?
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'Cause to me, that's easy.
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- Yeah, I would probably say Messi.
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- Yeah.
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- Yeah, I don't know if I'd say it's easy,
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but I would say, yeah, I would default to Messi,
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saying being the better finisher.
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- Free kicks?
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- I don't think either of them
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are particularly great at that.
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- Messi last season.
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His stats were unreal.
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- But I mean, that was like an aberration a little bit,
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wouldn't you agree?
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- Well, it might be the new normal.
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You never know. - Fair enough.
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- I'd say penalties, Ronaldo.
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Messi has this habit of missing them.
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- For the national team in big moments.
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- Well, we'll have to look at that.
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He misses a lot of penalties
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for Barcelona in the regular season.
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- A lot of the reasons they've been knocked out
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has been his inability to finish penalties
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when they've been needed to at international competitions,
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but that's a different-- - Mhm, yup.
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- But yeah, so penalties, Ronaldo's better, yeah.
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- I don't like the term natural ability,
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but in terms of--
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- Well, I think natural ability, it's Messi.
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- Yeah.
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Well, in terms of who has the most amount of grace
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and flair and skill when they're running with the ball.
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- Oh, it's Ronaldo, I think.
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- Really?
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- I think so.
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- Oh, that's where I really disagree.
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- Because I think Ronaldo, I don't know.
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I think, well, it's running with the ball.
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In confined spaces, Messi looks better 'cause he's smaller.
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He can maneuver, but if you're talking
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running with the ball, onto the ball,
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I feel like Ronaldo looks way smoother.
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- Well, just-- - He's got the size,
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that stride.
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- Ronaldo has that strength and power when he runs,
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and you don't want him running directly at you,
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whereas Messi, I mean, it's very rare
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that you'll see a Ronaldo goal
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where he takes on six players.
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- Right.
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- He'll take on one and smash it in the corner,
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whereas Messi, there are so many goals,
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where he's like dink, dink, dink, dink, dink,
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megs. - Correct.
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Right, but that's what I would just say is differing,
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and that's maybe just how you're defining it is
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running with the