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  • Hey it's Marie Forleo and you are watching MarieTV, the place to be to create a business

  • and life you love, and this is the MarieTV Call-In Show.

  • Bam!

  • I am here with Gregory Patterson.

  • Salutations.

  • Yes.

  • And we are gonna take your questions, and do our very best to give you, hopefully, some

  • good answers.

  • Let's do this.

  • I like that intro.

  • Hello, this is Jackie, can I help you?

  • Hi!

  • Hello!

  • Hi!

  • Oh we don't know what was goin' on there.

  • It was the minute of like hello, hello, hello, hello.

  • Hi Jackie, you're on MarieTV, how ya doin'?

  • Oh my gosh, I'm about to pee my pants right now!

  • Oh don't do that, don't do that!

  • That's how I'm doing!

  • Well actually, if you really wanna do that, go ahead and do that, you can do whatever

  • you want.

  • I'm at an age where that can happen any time, so, let's just do this.

  • Jackie you are here with myself, with Gregory, the rest of the MarieTV crew.

  • Hey.

  • And we are here to offer any insight and guidance.

  • So tell us your question, and then we'll dive in.

  • Okay, here's my Q. It actually is a little bit of a story, and it kinda starts a little

  • Debbie Downer.

  • So, seven years ago my mom passed away very unexpectedly.

  • Mm, so sorry.

  • So I... thank you.

  • I took that as a huge, huge wake-up call that I needed to live a more purposeful life, and

  • really go after my dream, which was to be a portrait photographer, and really just to

  • put all of my creativity out in the world that I could.

  • So I, within a week, quit my job, and decided to start my portrait photography business.

  • At the same time, a colleague of mine was starting her consulting business, a communication

  • consulting business, and she said, "Hey, you're probably gonna have some free time, and you

  • might need some cash to get your business going.

  • Why don't you consult with me, and, you know I'll throw you some work and you can make

  • some money along the way, and you can grow your photography business."

  • And I said, "Great, let's do this!"

  • So, seven years later, fast forward, her business is going gangbusters, and I'm doing like 90%

  • consulting, maybe 10% working on my photography business.

  • And I feel like...

  • I love a good recess metaphor.

  • I feel like I'm on the jungle gym, on the playground, and I'm holdin' onto one bar,

  • I got one hand on the consulting job, and one hand on the photography job, and I can't

  • let go of either, but my little arms are just gettin' so tired.

  • And,I feel like I either need someone to smack a hand and say, "Let go of the consulting

  • work and you need to go do your thing."

  • 'Cause I feel like I'm runnin' out of time to do my thing.

  • Yeah.

  • Or, just, "You know what, "maybe the dream isn't for you, maybe you just need to stick

  • with your consulting work."

  • Well, so you're lookin' for a little bit of guidance, in which hand to let go of, am I

  • hearin' ya right?

  • Yeah, which hand to let go of, and, you know I listen to your podcasts, and I've read so

  • many books that you guys have recommended.

  • Yes.

  • I feel like I'm just not getting, like the kick in the pants I need...

  • Yes.

  • ...to make something happen.

  • Absolutely, well I have a couple questions I wanna ask you, but before we go there, I

  • do want you to write this down.

  • If you Google my name, and then GoogleDecision Making: 4 Simple Tests to Help You Make the

  • Right Decision Every Time,” we have a great episode that you may or may not have seen,

  • but I think if you have seen it, it's worth it to re-watch and re-listen, 'cause I run

  • through four tests that help you really make great decisions, and they're very wholistic

  • tests, so they tap into different aspects of you, both your body wisdom, intellectual,

  • psychological, all these different things, and I wanna make sure that you have those

  • tools, even in addition to this conversation, so...

  • Awesome.

  • Question for you, now, you said the dream about starting your own photography business,

  • and I can see that you have a website, and I click through to your website, and you've

  • definitely taken some portraits and some photographs and they're absolutely beautiful.

  • Do you feel like your dream is to take photographs of women?

  • Or is your dream to run a photography business that's profitable and have that be full time?

  • Um, my dream is to run a profitable photography business.

  • Okay.

  • And my ultimate, give every bit of my creativity, and make that make money.

  • Cool, okay so then it sounds like you're clear on what you want, but the challenge is around

  • giving up, not only the financial security, but going towards the business not knowing

  • if that's gonna work, and all of the things that come with it, is that right?

  • That's right, exactly.

  • Okay, cool, well, you know it's a big move.

  • I don't know what your finances are, but of course, I would recommend this to anyone,

  • that you've gotta really take a strong look at your finances.

  • You may be able to, and I don't know what your friend's arrangement is, or what your

  • relationship is like, but if at all possible, I would investigate, rather than doing 90%

  • consulting, and 10% photography, is it possible for you to change those dials a little bit?

  • So you actually move down from 90% consulting, to let's not say zero, right, but maybe about

  • 50%.

  • If you have to still build up a little bit of a nest egg, and from a financial perspective,

  • you're a little scared, that could be an option to consider.

  • Now again Jackie, I don't know if you're the type of person who's like, "Look, the only

  • way I'm gonna make somethin' work is if I burn the bridges behind me, like I need that

  • pressure, I need all of that momentum to move forward."

  • And some people are like that.

  • That's not me, but that might be you, is that you?

  • No, no I'm definitely not.

  • I don't think I would've take her opportunity if I was a burn the bridges kinda gal.

  • Yes.

  • But I'm a people-pleaser kinda gal, and so, if there's a, "Hey I need your help, we've

  • got this opportunity coming up, I need some people to jump on this project."

  • I don't say no, I'd say, "Okay."

  • And then I'm in up over my neck again with more consulting work.

  • Mmhmm, so this isn't necessarily a business problem, this is a boundaries problem.

  • Possibly.

  • Yeah, well here's the thing, it's completely possible, I know in my heart and soul, for

  • you to run a profitable photography business, right?

  • Any business, we don't have a crystal ball whether or not it's gonna work.

  • I would tell you, I don't think you're a B-Schooler, are you, Jackie?

  • Not yet.

  • No, you definitely should be.

  • Again, whether you learn it from me, or you learn it from someone else, anyone who runs

  • a small business, you have got to learn the ins and outs, the depth of marketing, so that

  • you can apply it in a way that makes whatever your gift is, your product or your service,

  • as profitable as it can be, and as impactful as it can be.

  • So, again, I would say if you are gonna let go of that handlebar of the consulting gig,

  • make sure you get your butt in B-School.

  • The next time we run it is February of 2019, so, make sure you get in there.

  • But apart from that, here's the deal.

  • Boundaries are gonna be huge for you, because even if you solve this issue with your friend

  • and the consulting gig, boundaries are gonna come up with your photography clients.

  • So this is about personal growth.

  • You can have everything you want my friend, and you can have it in a way that's really

  • joyful, you can retain that relationship, and I really think that you could probably

  • start dialing down that percentage, from 90% to 70 to 50 to 60 to 40, you've just gotta

  • set some clear boundaries for yourself, and communicate them effectively.

  • Got it.

  • Got it, got it, yep.

  • The communicator is always the worst at communicating her own things to her people.

  • Yeah, I mean again, all of us, we all need support with this, so you can talk with, do

  • you have friends that you can talk with that are other business owners?

  • Oh yeah, yep.

  • Oh, great, so you can practice this conversation, and again, I think this is completely possible

  • for you, but I think it would be a mistake, quite frankly, to let go of the consulting

  • gig 100%, because given who you say you are, and how you feel around finances, having that

  • bit of security coming in, is really gonna support you as you ratchet up your marketing,

  • and the rest of your business.

  • Yep, and that's what I've been doing for seven years, I've got processes in place, I've got,

  • you know, great gear.

  • I mean I am very grateful for the consulting business because it allowed me to put all

  • the pieces in place to get my portrait photography business going.

  • Now it just needs to like, start amplifying.

  • Yeah, but it's gonna take time and focus, and you have to be the one to create that

  • time.

  • Like you're not gonna find the time my friend, you have to make the time.

  • Oh, I know.

  • Yeah.

  • It's not gonna magically just fall in your lap, like, "Woo, Jackie here you go, three

  • days a week to just work on your business."

  • Not gonna happen!

  • What's your friend's name who runs the consulting business, what's her first name?

  • Her first name is Jamie, and she's awesome.

  • Yeah, and you can tell her, "Oh my God girl, I love you, I want to create this plan together,

  • so that it doesn't disrupt this explosive growth that's happening for you right now."

  • My heart tells me she's amazing, and if you guys sat down, that you could crack a plan

  • that would work for both of you, and you can even ask her for the support, and say, "Hey

  • look, girl, I know there might come some big job down the pike, and you're gonna be goin',

  • 'Oh my gosh, like Jackie can you jump in on this one?'

  • I'm gonna ask you, first of all, not to ask me for that unless things are really on fire,

  • and literally the whole business is gonna go out of business unless I jump in, and two,

  • hold me accountable to not coming in on these days where I said I'm not gonna come in."

  • So you can actually enroll her in supporting you in moving into your own business.

  • And based on what you've said about her, and the feelings I get, she's gonna wanna do it.

  • Yeah, she asks me every once in while, "When are you gonna do your thing, I know, I love

  • you here, I don't want you to go, but I don't want you to not do what you wanna do too."

  • See that?

  • So she supports me.

  • Yeah, you've got everything you need.

  • I think you just have to muster up that courage inside, and start taking those steps.

  • And look, like I said it doesn't have to be all or nothing.

  • So don't have that analogy in your head that you have to let go of the consulting bar completely.

  • You just have to let go of like, two fingers.

  • Okay.

  • Cool?

  • Cool.

  • Start small, you'll get there, keep us posted, and get your butt in B-School, seriously.

  • Yes ma'am!

  • All right love, thank you so much for callin' in, and keep us posted on how it all goes.

  • Thank you so much.

  • Bye!

  • Bye guys!

  • Hello?

  • Hello, tell us your name and where you're calling from.

  • Hi Marie, I am Marines, and I'm calling from Norway.

  • Yay, Marines, we're so excited to have you on the show.

  • You're here with myself and all of team Forleo.

  • Tell us your question, and we will do our very best to help you out.

  • Thank you so much.

  • So my question is, I moved to Norway last year, because my husband is Norwegian.

  • Before coming here, my life was pretty nice.

  • I was working in something that I really liked and I was engaged in projects that were very

  • interesting, and I never anticipated that it was gonna be so difficult to move to Norway.

  • I have really struggled to find relevant work, and I have been doing my homework, I've been

  • studying Norwegian, and I'm really trying to, yeah, to look for work, but it's been

  • very difficult.

  • So my question is, how do I deal with frustration, because I'm becoming very negative and very

  • sad during this process and I've never been like this, so I would love your advice.

  • Absolutely, and by the way, thank you so much for calling in today, because I know that

  • there are many of us out there that find ourselves in challenging situations, and while the details

  • of the story may not be exactly the same, I think many of us can identify with that

  • place of feeling stuck, of feeling like we're not showing up like we normally do, and it

  • feels like we don't know where to go.

  • So, thank you, for being brave.

  • Question for you, where did you live prior to Norway?

  • Vanuatu.

  • Where's that?

  • It's, it's an island in the Pacific.

  • Okay, so, big change in terms of climate, in terms of culture, in terms of, even the

  • surroundings, yeah?

  • Yeah.

  • Yeah, okay, has that been challenging for you, in terms of climate and the weather and

  • all of those things?

  • Yeah, yeah, it has, everything has been, yeah.

  • Yeah.

  • Everything is different, yeah.

  • Yep, okay so, few thoughts off the top of my head.

  • One, I think part of the difficulty that you're navigating right now, is you have so much

  • change layered upon change, right?

  • It's one thing if it was just moving to a new location, but you have moving to a new

  • location, you have a completely new language that you're trying to learn, and you have

  • the challenge of trying to find meaningful work, right, all of those things are happening

  • at once?

  • Yep.

  • My love, it is completely understandable that you are finding this so difficult and so frustrating.

  • I would be in your exact same