dying in balls of flames.

在火球中死去。

Imagine if the kid, only three years of age, then mentioned the actual names of people

想象一下，如果這個孩子，只有三歲，然後提到人的真實姓名。

he'd flown with during the war.

他在戰爭期間和他一起飛行。

You'd likely feel a bit unsettled.

你可能會覺得有點不安。

Or, how would it feel if your child woke up screaming in the middle of the night, for

或者，如果你的孩子半夜醒來尖叫，你會是什麼感覺？

many nights and many weeks, and then started rambling about being some Hollywood director

很多個夜晚和很多個星期，然後開始絮絮叨叨的說自己是什麼好萊塢導演。

from times past?

從過去的時代？

Incredibly, both these things happened to parents in the U.S. not that long ago.

不可思議的是，這兩件事都發生在不久前美國的父母身上。

The two kids joined a long list of children who have claimed to have had past lives, and

這兩個孩子加入了一長串自稱有前世的孩子的名單，而且

what's fascinating, is the children often make a good case.

最吸引人的是，孩子們經常會提出一個很好的理由。

Today you're going to hear a few more incredible cases of kids that convinced people they used

今天，你將聽到幾個更不可思議的案例，孩子們讓人相信他們用了。

to be another person.

成為另一個人。

To your everyday skeptic, such cases might sound dubious, but before you turn away you

對於你日常的懷疑論者來說，這樣的案例可能聽起來很可疑，但在你轉身之前，你會發現

ought to know that thousands of cases of kids who've claimed to have been someone else

應該知道，成千上萬的案例中，孩子們都聲稱自己是別人的孩子

in another life have been investigated – and we don't mean by online mystics who'll

在另一個生活中已經調查 - 我們不是指通過在線神祕主義者誰會

tell you for $9.99 how your aunt Barbara is doing in heaven.

告訴你9. 99美元，你的芭芭拉阿姨在天堂是怎麼做的。

Dr. Jim Tucker, a Professor of Psychiatry and Neurobehavioral Sciences at the University

吉姆-塔克博士，大學精神病學和神經行為科學教授。

of Virginia, is one such man that has put a lot of effort into trying to find out what's

弗吉尼亞州的，就是這樣一個人，他付出了很多努力，試圖找出什麼是。

going on with these kids.

與這些孩子。

Since the 1990s he's been traveling all over the world in search of such kids and

從上世紀90年代起，他就開始在世界各地尋找這樣的孩子和。

of the 2,500-plus cases he's studied, few of them fail to fascinate.

在他研究的2500多個案例中，很少有案例不能讓人著迷。

Before we get to some of the most confounding cases out there, first we'll tell you some

在介紹一些最令人困惑的案例之前，我們先來告訴大家一些。

things Mr. Tucker discovered during his many years of research.

塔克先生在多年的研究中發現的事情。

For one thing, it turned out that 70 percent of kids who claimed to have had past lives

首先，結果是70%的孩子都聲稱自己有前世。

had lived the life of someone who hadn't had a very natural death, meaning the person

過了一個沒有很自然死亡的人的生活，也就是說這個人

they had lived had died from either an accident, murder, or they had taken their own life.

他們的生活不是死於意外，謀殺，就是自殺。

Tucker said during the research he would never investigate a case if the parent of the child

塔克在研究過程中表示，如果孩子的父母，他永遠不會調查一個案件。

couldn't name names, or give addresses, or talk about many places the child said he

說不出名字，也說不出地址，也說不出孩子說的很多地方。

or she had been in their past life.

或她在前世的時候。

If there was some information to work with however, Tucker would meet the parents and

不過，如果有一些資訊可供利用，塔克就會和父母見面，然後。

child and take things further.

孩子，並將事情進一步。

Tucker might have started off a bit skeptical, but as things turned out, some children just

塔克一開始可能會有點懷疑，但事實證明，有些孩子就是... ...

knew too much.

知道的太多了。

You can't really call his research science, it's more a psuedoscience, but still, the

你不能真正稱他的研究為科學，更多的是一種偽科學，但仍是

kids said some intriguing things.

孩子們說了一些有趣的事情。

They knew who they'd dated in their past life.

他們知道自己前世和誰約會過。

They knew what their past wife had loved to do on Sundays.

他們知道自己過去的妻子在星期天喜歡做什麼。

They knew how their past house was decorated and they talked about the pet dog they so

他們知道自己過去的房子是怎麼裝修的，他們還說起了自己的寵物狗，他們如此的

dearly loved.

深深的愛。

Usually none of this information was something you could find online or even in a book.

通常這些資訊都不是你能在網上甚至書上找到的。

What's also quite interesting and maybe more convincing in the case for reincarnation

在輪迴的案例中，也是相當有趣的，也許更有說服力的是

is the fact that most of the kids who claim to have had past lives are only two to four

是事實，大多數自稱有前世的孩子只有兩到四歲。

years old.

歲。

In other words, they're not quite at the stage in life when they want to manipulate

換句話說，他們還沒到想要操控的人生階段。

people.

人。

They're also arguably too young to be making up strange stories about people long dead.

他們也可以說是太年輕了，不應該編造一些早已死去的人的奇怪故事。

Let's now look at some cases and later on, you can make your own mind up about the validity

現在我們來看一些案例，以後你可以自己決定是否有效。

of the kids' stories.

的孩子們的故事。

We're going to start with an American kid.

我們要從一個美國孩子開始。

What's good about western cases is they are less frequent in those countries than

西方案件的好處是，這些國家的案件較少發生

in parts of Asia where many people believe in reincarnation.

在亞洲部分地區，許多人相信輪迴。

As it stands, according to Pew Research only around 33 percent of American adults believe

目前，根據皮尤研究公司的數據，只有約33%的美國成年人相信。

a person can come back to life as another person or being.

一個人可以作為另一個人或生命復活。

In the UK, some studies have shown 29 percent of people believe in reincarnation, and in

在英國，有研究表明，29%的人相信輪迴，而在。

the rest of Europe, the numbers weren't far off.

歐洲其他國家，數字也相差無幾。

Still, being born again is much more of a thing in most of Asia.

不過，在亞洲大部分地區，重生還是要多一些的。

In parts of Southeast Asia, such as Myanmar, Laos, and Thailand, reincarnation is no laughing

在東南亞的部分地區，如緬甸、寮國和泰國，輪迴不是笑談。

matter.

事。

It's a fact of life for many people….

這是很多人的生活事實....。

We'll come to amazing stories from the East later, but seeing as Americans are for the

我們稍後會講到來自東方的驚天動地的故事，但看到美國人對於。

most part skeptical of life after death, the good ole U.S. is a good starting place.

大多數人對死後的生活持懷疑態度，好在美國是個不錯的起點。

The kid's name is Patrick, and his case was investigated by a U.S. psychology professor

這個孩子叫帕特里克，他的案子是由美國心理學教授調查的。

named Dr. Ian Stevenson as well as the professor we just talked about.

名為伊恩-史蒂文森博士，以及我們剛才說的教授。

Patrick's mother had called the professors and told them she was convinced that he was

帕特里克的母親給教授們打了電話，告訴他們，她確信他是... ...

actually the reborn version of Patrick's deceased half-brother.

其實是帕特里克已故的同父異母兄弟的重生版。

Kevin.

凱文

After some more chatting on the phone, the professors took off to the Midwest to talk

又在電話裡聊了幾句後，教授們就去中西部地區談了

in detail to the child and mother.

向孩子和母親詳細介紹。

They started with the mother.

他們從母親開始。

She told them that Kevin was born 14 years before Patrick.

她告訴他們，凱文比帕特里克早出生14年。

He seemed healthy at first but just before he was one and a half years old, he developed

起初他看起來很健康，但就在他一歲半之前，他出現了一個新的問題。

a strange limp.

詭異的一瘸一拐。

After a few tests at the hospital, it seemed Kevin was ok, but then when he fell and broke

在醫院做了幾項檢查後，凱文似乎沒事了，但當他摔倒並摔壞了的時候

a leg two days later, his mother started to become very worried.

兩天後，他的母親開始變得非常擔心。

She was right to be concerned because as time went on doctors discovered that the boy had

她的擔心是對的，因為隨著時間的推移，醫生們發現這個男孩有了

a form of cancer.

癌症的一種形式。

One of the areas where he was most affected was his left eye.

其中，他受影響最大的地方是左眼。

Kevin began a treatment of chemotherapy and radiation therapy and after the tenth day

凱文開始了化療和放療的治療，第十天後，凱文就開始了化療。

in the hospital, he was sent home.

在醫院，他被送回家。

This was all very unpleasant, but given the boy's young age, he seemed to smile and

這一切都讓人很不愉快，但考慮到這孩子年紀小，他似乎笑了笑，說道

laugh as he always had done.

笑，因為他總是這樣。

Six months later, he was rushed to the hospital with bleeding gums.

半年後，他因牙齦出血被緊急送往醫院。

Cancer had spread to his bone marrow.

癌症已經擴散到他的骨髓。

Doctors all but said his case was terminal.

醫生都說他的情況已經到了晚期。

There was nothing they could do, although he did receive a blood transfusion.

他們也無能為力，雖然他確實接受了輸血。

He died just a few days after.

幾天後他就死了。

The mother married again and had another child, but that relationship didn't work out and

母親又結婚了，又生了一個孩子，但這段感情並沒有成功，而

some years later she had another child with another man.

幾年後，她又和另一個男人生了一個孩子。

That child was named Jason.

那個孩子叫傑森。

Soon after she had a fourth child, and his name was Patrick.

不久之後，她有了第四個孩子，他的名字叫帕特里克。

The mother said as soon as she held Patrick, she just knew he was somehow connected to

母親說，當她一抱著帕特里克，她就知道他和...

her first son.

她的第一個兒子。

The two babies looked similar, even though they had different fathers.

兩個寶寶雖然父親不同，但長相相似。

Not only that, she soon discovered that Patrick had a problem with his left eye.

不僅如此，她很快發現帕特里克的左眼有問題。

The diagnosis was a corneal leukoma, a condition that can make it hard to see.

診斷為角膜白斑，這是一種會讓人看不清的疾病。

In fact, the kid was pretty much blind in that left eye just as his deceased half-brother

事實上，這孩子的左眼已經瞎得差不多了，就像他死去的同父異母的哥哥一樣。

had been at the end of his short life.

曾在他短暫的生命結束時。

The conditions were not in the same ballpark at all, but blindness in one eye was the same

條件完全不在一個等級上，但一隻眼睛失明是一樣的。

symptom.

症狀。

Not only that, Patrick had a lump on his neck in the same place that his brother had had

不僅如此，帕特里克的脖子上有一個腫塊 就在他弟弟的那個地方

a lump on his neck.

脖子上有個疙瘩

This wasn't cancer, just a harmless nodule.

這不是癌症，只是一個無害的結節。

For the mother, these things were just too strange to be true.

對於母親來說，這些事情實在是太奇怪了。

Things got even weirder when the mother found a kind of dark spot on Patrick's neck in

當母親在帕特里克的脖子上發現一種黑斑時，事情變得更加詭異。

the same place where his brother had had a scar from tubes being inserted there.

就是他哥哥插管子的那個地方有一個疤痕。

This was a sad story the professors were listening to, but nonetheless, they checked the deceased

這是一個悲傷的故事，教授們都在聽，但還是檢查了死者的情況

son's medical records.

兒子的醫療記錄。

They also checked the body of Patrick, of course.

當然，他們也檢查了帕特里克的屍體。

It all rang true.

一切都是真的。

There were indeed some strange coincidences.

確實有一些奇怪的巧合。

What was perhaps freakier is that when Patrick was able to walk, he walked with a limp, just

也許更詭異的是，當帕特里克能夠走路的時候，他走路一瘸一拐的，只是

as his brother had.

和他哥哥一樣。

When the professors met him he was already five-years-old but he still had that unusual

當教授們見到他的時候，他已經五歲了，但他仍然有那種不尋常的感覺。

limp even though medically his legs and gait should have been fine.

儘管從醫學上講，他的腿和步態應該是好的，但還是一瘸一拐。

Patrick looked like Kevin.

帕特里克看起來像凱文。

He had a lump and a mark where Kevin had, and he limped like Kevin.

他在凱文的地方有一個腫塊和一個標記，他像凱文一樣一瘸一拐。

Ok, so what about Patrick's mind?

好吧，那麼帕特里克的思想呢？

Did he think he was his dead brother?

他以為自己是他死去的哥哥嗎？

Well, when he was four years old, he started asking his mother if he could go to the “other

當他四歲的時候，他開始問他的母親是否可以去 "另一個"。

house.”

房子。"

He asked, again and again, to go to this place, a house where he was sure he'd once lived.

他再三要求，要去這個地方，他確信自己曾經住過的房子。

He described it as a “chocolate and orange” house.

他形容這是一個 "巧克力和橘子 "的房子。

His mother of course had changed houses as well as husbands since her first child died.

當然，他的母親自從第一個孩子死後，就換了房子以及丈夫。

Then one day he asked his mom if she could recall the day he had surgery.

後來有一天，他問媽媽能不能回憶起他做手術的那天。

At first, she told Patrick that he was healthy, and he'd never had surgery, at which point

一開始，她告訴帕特里克，他很健康，而且他從來沒有做過手術，這時

the young boy pointed to his ear – a place where the deceased boy had once had a tumor.

The mother kept pictures of Kevin under lock and key, but when one day Patrick discovered

母親把凱文的照片鎖起來，但當有一天帕特里克發現了

one he ran to her and shouted, “Here is my picture…That's me!”

一個他跑到她面前，大喊："這是我的照片......是我！"

At other times, he'd talk about a puppy he once had, or should we say, his deceased

有時，他會說起他曾經養過的一隻小狗，或者我們應該說，他的故人。

half-brother had once had.

同父異母的哥哥曾經有。

He even recalled a day he went swimming with his grandfather and others and a guy's head

他甚至還記得有一天他和爺爺等人去游泳，一個人的頭部

was dunked under the water.

被灌進了水底。

He was referencing events from Kevin's life.

他指的是Kevin生活中的事件。

You might now be thinking, well, the mother could have made all that up.

你現在可能會想，好吧，這一切可能是母親編造的。

Sure, that's a possibility, a weird thing to do, but a possibility.

當然，這是一種可能性，一種奇怪的事情，但也是一種可能性。

The professors interviewed other members of the family, including the mother's sister

教授們採訪了家庭的其他成員，包括母親的妹妹。

and Patrick's siblings.

和帕特里克的兄弟姐妹。

They talked about how Patrick would often talk about heaven, although Patrick's father

他們談到帕特里克經常談論天堂，雖然帕特里克的父親。

said his kid didn't talk to him about this past life.

說他的孩子沒有跟他說過前世的事。

When the professors talked to Patrick he told them about this other person he had been,

當教授們和帕特里克談話時，他告訴他們關於他的這個另一個人。

although he did so as if he was with the other kid, not actually was the kid.

雖然他這樣做，好像是和另一個孩子在一起，其實不是孩子。

He said he went to the zoo with him, and he talked about how they'd play in the same

他說他和他一起去動物園，他說他們會在同一個地方玩耍

bedroom, all the time describing a room that the professors found fitted the description

臥室，一直在描述一個教授們認為符合描述的房間。

of the dead son's bedroom.

死者兒子臥室的。

Patrick also told them about the time he went to the ranch and saw the bulls, something

帕特里克還告訴他們，他去牧場看到公牛的時候，有些事

only his brother had done.

只有他哥哥才會這樣做。

Ok, maybe that case doesn't convince you but keep watching because stranger cases are

好吧，也許這個案子不能讓你信服，但繼續觀察，因為更奇怪的案子是...

on the way.

在路上。

Now let's swing over to Thailand, a place where every day people try and please the

現在，讓我們搖擺到泰國，一個每天都在嘗試和取悅泰國人的地方。

spirits with bottles of Fanta.

烈酒與瓶芬達。

This is the case of a boy named Juta, who was four years old when his case was investigated.

這是一個名叫朱塔的男孩的案件，他被調查時只有4歲。

A few months after this kid took his first breaths in the world his mother's brother

在這個孩子在這個世界上呼吸的幾個月後 他母親的弟弟...

died in a motorcycle accident in Bangkok.

在曼谷的一場摩托車事故中死亡。

After that, Juta got very sick and came down with a terrible fever.

之後，朱塔病得很重，發了一場可怕的高燒。

He also developed two rather strange big spots on his left arm, right at the place where

他的左臂上也長出了兩個奇怪的大斑點，就在他的左臂上。

his deceased uncle had had similar markings.

他已故的叔叔也有類似的標記。

The uncle had started to get a tattoo, but after suffering a bit, he chickened out.

舅舅本來開始想去紋身，但吃了點苦頭，就退縮了。

Instead of a drawing, all he had was the start of a drawing, which were two spots.

與其說是畫畫，不如說他有的只是畫畫的開始，也就是兩個點。

Junta then started to call his own mother, “Little Noey”, which was what her dead

俊達就開始叫自己的母親 "小諾伊"，這是她死去的人對她的稱呼。

brother had called her.

哥哥給她打過電話。

Things got really weird when older folks would go around the house to visit.

當老人們到家裡去看望時，事情就變得非常奇怪了。

Juta would talk to the adults using informal language that kids just don't use with grownups

朱塔會用孩子們不會和大人說話的非正式語言和大人說話。

in Thailand.

在泰國。

Not only that, he put ice in their beer and stirred it with his finger, something his

不僅如此，他還在他們的啤酒裡放上冰塊，用手指攪拌，這是他的。

uncle used to do…And yes, Thais almost always add ice to beer.

舅舅曾經做過......是的，泰國人幾乎總是在啤酒中加冰塊。

The stuff gets warm there quickly.

那裡的東西很快就熱起來了。

After the kid had given everyone a glass of beer, he'd take one for himself.

小夥子給每個人都喝了一杯啤酒後，他自己也要喝一杯。

He was four, don't forget.

他才四歲，別忘了。

This wanting of beer happened all the time, something which mirrored his uncle's predilections.

這種想喝啤酒的事情經常發生，這反映了他叔叔的喜好。

Juta also claimed that he'd once worked in Bangkok in construction.

朱塔還聲稱，他曾經在曼谷從事過建築工作。

He hadn't even been to Bangkok.

他甚至沒有去過曼谷。

All this was heard by the investigators, but when they returned for a second meeting a

這一切都被調查人員聽到了，但當他們第二次回來開會時，一個人卻說："我是一個人。

few months later little Juta was no longer talking in that adult language and he'd

幾個月後，小朱塔已經不會用那種成人的語言說話了，他已

even gone off the beer, refusing one even if one was put in front of him.

甚至走了啤酒，即使有啤酒放在他面前也拒絕。

The spots on his arm were becoming harder to see and according to the investigators,

他手臂上的斑點越來越難看，據調查人員介紹。

the once grown-up boy had become a normal little boy.

曾經的大男孩已經變成了一個普通的小男孩。

Juta's family believed that the soul of the deceased had entered Juta but had now

朱塔的家人認為，死者的靈魂進入了朱塔體內，但現在已經...

left.

左邊。

The next case is similar, but quite a lot more confounding.

下一個案例也是類似的，但迷惑性相當大。

It was investigated in collaboration between U.S. professors and a Professor of Clinical

美國教授和一位臨床教授合作調查。

Psychology at the National Institute of Mental Health and Neurosciences in India.

印度國家精神衛生和神經科學研究所心理學。

It's about a woman named Uttara who at the time of the investigation was 33 years old.

這是關於一個叫烏塔拉的女人，調查時她已經33歲了。

She'd had some mental health issues so had been told to meditate.

她有一些心理健康問題，所以被告知要打坐。

She did just that, but what happened next surprised her caregivers.

她就這樣做了，但接下來發生的事情讓她的護理人員大吃一驚。

She'd alternate between extremes of silence and hysteria, and sometimes start talking

她會在極端的沉默和歇斯底里之間交替，有時也會開始說話。

in a foreign language even though she couldn't speak any foreign languages.

用外語，儘管她不會說任何外語。

The doctor at the time thought she was speaking Bengali, although her parents told him she'd

當時醫生以為她說的是孟加拉語，雖然她的父母告訴他，她會。

couldn't speak a word of it, never mind talk for ages in it.

一句話都說不出來，更別提在裡面說上好久了。

She was sent home, but there were problems, to say the least.

她被送回了家，但少說也有問題。

She could no longer speak her native Marathi and instead used her new language, something

她不能再講她的母語馬拉地語，而是用她的新語言，一些

her parents did not understand at all.

她的父母根本不理解。

Bengali speakers came to the rescue and they soon told her parents that their daughter

講孟加拉語的人前來救援，他們很快就告訴她的父母，他們的女兒。

was now claiming to be someone called Sharada.

現在自稱是一個叫Sharada的人。

It seemed Sharada thought she'd never even left Bengal.

似乎Sharada認為她根本就沒有離開過孟加拉。

She didn't recognize people or things around her.

她不認識周圍的人和事。

It was as if her world was alien to her.

她的世界對她來說彷彿是陌生的。

In fact, she didn't even know what modern appliances were, like she was living in a

其實，她連現代電器是什麼都不知道，就像她生活在一個。

time long before such things existed.

早在這種事情存在之前的時間。

After a few weeks in this state, Uttara came back.

在這種狀態下呆了幾個星期後，烏塔拉回來了。

During the investigation it was revealed that Sharada would make an appearance for a couple

在調查過程中發現，Sharada會出場一對夫婦

of days for a total of 23 times over a few years, each time forgetting who her family

的日子，幾年來共23次，每次都忘記了她的家人是誰。

was and not understanding how something like a TV worked.

是和不理解電視這種東西是如何工作的。

Over time, details were collected when Sharada came around.

隨著時間的推移，當夏拉達來到身邊時，就會收集到一些細節。

She described the village where she lived in West Bengal and she described her friends

她描述了她在西孟加拉邦居住的村莊，她描述了她的朋友們。

and family.

和家庭。

It turned out she thought she was living in the 18th century.

原來她以為自己生活在18世紀。

What shocked the researchers is when they searched for the names of Sharada's alleged

令研究人員感到震驚的是，當他們搜索Sharada所謂的名字時。

father and six brothers, they had all lived in West Bengal in the 18th century in a village

父親和六個兄弟，他們都曾在18世紀住在西孟加拉的一個村子裡。

like the one Sharada had described.

就像夏拉達所描述的那樣。

On top of that, professors who were native Bengali speakers talked with Sharada and they

除此之外，以孟加拉語為母語的教授們也與沙拉達進行了交談，他們

agreed that while she made a few mistakes, she was definitely fluent.

一致認為，雖然她犯了一些錯誤，但她絕對是流利的。

Still, skeptics have said that the girl could have somehow secretly learned the language.