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  • -My next guest is an Academy Award-nominated actor

    -我的下一位客人是一位奧斯卡獎提名的演員

  • who you know from films like

    你從電影中認識的人,比如

  • "Get Out" and "Black Panther."

    "脫身 "和 "黑豹"。

  • Last week, he received a Golden Globe nomination

    上週,他獲得了金球獎的提名。

  • for his new film, "Judas and the Black Messiah,"

    為他的新片 "猶大與黑色彌賽亞 "拍攝的。

  • which is in theaters and on HBO Max this Friday.

    本週五正在影院和HBO Max上映。

  • Here is Daniel Kaluuya!

    這是丹尼爾-卡魯亞!

  • Oh, my goodness. Thanks for being here.

    哦,我的上帝。謝謝你來這裡。

  • It is so great to meet you.

    很高興見到你。

  • First of all, you know, I was just talking to Dwayne Johnson,

    首先,你知道,我剛剛和德維恩-約翰遜談過了。

  • and I hear that you're a big fan.

    我聽說你是個大粉絲。

  • I wish that you were both here in the studio,

    我希望你們都在這裡的工作室。

  • because you could have met.

    因為你本來可以遇見。

  • -No, it's like -- The Rock? Yeah?

    -不,這就像... 搖滾?是嗎? -不是,就像...

  • -Yeah. -The Rock is my guy.

    -是的 搖滾是我的人。

  • Like, sometimes I watch, like -- Once every six months,

    有時候我會看,就像... 每半年看一次。

  • I watch, like, the funniest moments of

    我看了,像,最有趣的時刻的

  • The Rock from, like, the WWF days.

    岩石從,像,WWF時代。

  • I just watch these compilations.

    我只是看這些彙編。

  • They're, like -- They're just, like, him going --

    他們,就像... 他們只是,就像,他去... ...

  • Talking to someone.

    跟人說話。

  • I've always wanted to do that in an interview,

    我一直想在採訪中做到這一點。

  • just speak to someone, and I ask them a question

    只要和別人說話,我就會問他們一個問題。

  • and go, "It doesn't matter what your --"

    然後說:"不管你的..."

  • No, just messin'. I've always wanted to do that.

    不,只是在胡鬧。我一直想這樣做。

  • I've always wanted to shut someone down like that.

    我一直都想把別人關起來,像這樣。

  • -Dude, that's really good.

    -夥計,這真的很好。

  • That's a good impression.

    這是個好印象。

  • -Yeah, "It doesn't matter what --"

    -是的,"這並不重要..."

  • Bro, like, I love The Rock, bro. It's not a game.

    兄弟,就像,我愛搖滾,兄弟。這不是一個遊戲。

  • -But this is a big -- a great week for you to be on our show,

    -但這是一個大的... ... 一個偉大的一週,你是在我們的節目。

  • because we also have Kenan Thompson

    因為我們還有凱南-湯普森

  • coming on this Friday.

    本週五來。

  • -Yeah. Yeah.

    -是啊,是啊是啊,是啊。

  • -And I know that he had something to do with

    -我知道他跟這事兒有關係

  • your very first project in show business.

    你在娛樂圈的第一個項目。

  • Do you know what I'm talking about?

    你知道我在說什麼嗎?

  • -Yeah, I wrote my first play when I was 9 years old.

    -是的,我9歲時寫了我的第一個劇本

  • I won this competition.

    我贏得了這次比賽。

  • I performed at Hampstead Theatre.

    我在漢普斯特德劇院演出。

  • And it was based on "Kenan and Kel."

    而它是基於 "凱南和凱爾"。

  • It was based on "Kenan and Kel."

    它是以 "凱南和凱爾 "為基礎的。

  • I was obsessed with "Kenan and Kel."

    我迷戀 "凱南和凱爾"。

  • -Has Kenan ever heard about this?

    -凱南聽說過這件事嗎?

  • Have you ever met him?

    你見過他嗎?

  • -No. You know what it is? I saw him.

    -不,你知道是什麼嗎?我看到他了

  • It was Halloween, you know, one year --

    有一年是萬聖節,你知道的 --

  • years ago.

    幾年前。

  • Probably like over 10 years ago. I was in L.A. randomly.

    可能像10多年前。我是在洛杉磯隨機。

  • And I was in -- I saw him outside.

    我當時在... 我看到他在外面。

  • I saw him outside this club.

    我在俱樂部外面看到他了

  • And I was like, "Oh, my God. Yo, that's Kenan.

    我當時想,"哦,我的上帝。喲,那是凱南。

  • That's Kenan."

    那是凱南。"

  • And he's like -- My friend's like, "What?"

    他就像... 我的朋友說:"什麼?"

  • I was like, "Kenan."

    我當時想,"凱南"。

  • But then, like, I was dressed as Batman,

    但後來,就像,我打扮成蝙蝠俠。

  • so I didn't want to go up to him and, like,

    所以我不想去找他,像,

  • have to engage him, like, a black Batman,

    必須與他交戰,就像一個黑人蝙蝠俠。

  • just like this, like, "Yo, like, I'm a fan of your work.

    就像這樣,就像,"喲,喜歡,我是你的粉絲的工作。

  • Like, you really, really inspire me."

    就像,你真的,真的激勵了我。"

  • And he's like, "What's your name?"

    他說,"你叫什麼名字?"

  • "Bruce Wayne. I don't know."

    "布魯斯-韋恩,我不知道"布魯斯-韋恩,我不知道。"

  • -Yeah, walk away, walk away.

    -是啊,走開,走開。

  • -Even just chillin' now, I just thought,

    -我只是在想,即使現在只是在放鬆,我也在想。

  • "No, let me just leave it, man."

    "不,讓我別管了,夥計。"

  • -Smart.

    -智能。

  • -You know, I'm considerate like that.

    -你知道,我是那樣的體貼。

  • -Smart man. Smart man's move.

    -聰明的人聰明人的舉動。

  • Just get out of there and just go, "Yeah, I can' --"

    只要離開那裡,只是去,"是的,我可以 -"

  • -He ain't got time for Batman.

    -他沒時間陪蝙蝠俠玩了

  • He ain't got time for Batman.

    他沒時間陪蝙蝠俠了

  • He's just trying to enjoy Halloween,

    他只是想享受萬聖節

  • trying to enjoy the vibe.

    試圖享受這種氛圍。

  • -Let's talk about "Judas and the Black Messiah."

    -我們來談談 "猶大和黑色彌賽亞"。

  • What did you think when they first came to you?

    當他們第一次來找你時,你是怎麼想的?

  • Did you know the story?

    你知道這個故事嗎?

  • -Yeah, I hadn't heard of the story,

    -是的,我沒有聽說過這個故事。

  • but I'd heard of Chairman Fred.

    但我聽說過弗雷德主席。

  • I hadn't heard about in the way he was assassinated.

    我沒有聽說過他被暗殺的事情。

  • I hadn't seen that before.

    我以前沒有見過這個。

  • I knew about the Black Panther Party.

    我知道黑豹黨的事。

  • And then, so, yeah, Ryan and Zinzi Coogler,

    然後,所以,是的,瑞恩和Zinzi Coogler。

  • who are the producers of the film,

    誰是這部電影的製片人。

  • pulled me to the side and said,

    把我拉到一邊說。

  • "Yo, we really want you to play Chairman Fred

    "喲,我們真的很想讓你來扮演弗雷德主席

  • in this film that we're building

    在這部電影中,我們正在建立

  • with the incredible Shaka King as director.

    由不可思議的沙卡王擔任導演。

  • and amazing LaKeith Stanford being a part of it."

    和驚人的拉基斯-斯坦福是其中的一部分。"

  • And there's a lot of it that really spoke to

    而且有很多東西是真的說到了。

  • the intentions and reasons why they were making it.

    的意圖和原因,他們在製作。

  • It just really spoke to me.

    它只是真的對我說。

  • And then, a couple of months later,

    然後,幾個月後。

  • yeah, after reading the script, I jumped on board.

    是啊,看完劇本後,我就跳上了船。

  • -There's also a really great soundtrack

    -還有一個非常棒的配樂。

  • for this movie on the way.

    為這部電影在路上。

  • It was just announced that there's going to be a

    剛剛宣佈,將有一個。

  • Jay-Z/Nipsey Hussle collaboration.

    Jay-Z/Nipsey Hussle合作。

  • -Yeah, no, Jimmy, it's mental. No, that's mental.

    -是的,不,吉米,這是精神上的。不,那是精神上的

  • That's like -- I don't even have words for that.

    這就像... ... 我甚至不知道該怎麼說。

  • I don't even have words for that.

    我甚至沒有詞來形容這一點。

  • -Yeah, Black Thought is on it, as well.

    -是的,黑色思想也在其中。

  • -Just to honor Chairman Fred, as well.

    -也是為了向弗雷德主席致敬。

  • You know, it's, like, to honor Chairman Fred.

    你知道,這是一樣, 紀念主席弗雷德。

  • -I ended up Googling all sorts of stuff,

    -我在谷歌上搜索了所有的東西。

  • 'cause I was like, "Wait.

    "因為我當時想,"等待。

  • I have to know this story." He was only 21 when he was shot?

    我必須知道這個故事。"他被槍殺時只有21歲?

  • -Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    -嗯,嗯。嗯,嗯。

  • 21 when he was assassinated, yeah.

    21日,當他被暗殺,是的。

  • -And there's a photo of his son.

    -還有他兒子的照片。

  • And I just kind of -- It made me, like --

    我只是有點... 它讓我,就像... ...

  • He has to be -- The son has to be proud,

    他必須... 兒子必須感到驕傲。

  • 'cause he never got to meet his dad, right?

    因為他從來沒有見過他的父親,對不對?

  • -No. Yeah, it was a kind of -- It was a crazy time.

    -不,是的,那是一種...

  • I remember I did a screen test,

    我記得我做過一個螢幕測試。

  • and then, the first time I dressed up as Chairman Fred,

    然後,我第一次打扮成弗雷德主席。

  • and then, when I walked into the studio,

    然後,當我走進工作室,

  • the first person I saw was his son.

    我看到的第一個人是他的兒子。

  • And he never got to meet him.

    而他從來沒有見過他。

  • And he gave me this hug,

    他給了我這個擁抱。

  • this deep, deep, deep hug that lasted like 10 seconds.

    這個深深的,深深的,深深的擁抱 持續了10秒。

  • There's not really the words to describe what that hug was.

    那種擁抱的感覺真的無法用語言來形容。

  • But it was invaluable to have Chairman Fred and Mama Akua

    但有弗雷德主席和阿庫亞媽媽的幫助,是非常寶貴的。

  • a part of the process and, like, the family to bless the film

    一部分的過程和,喜歡,家庭祝福的電影。

  • and also to enrich the film and to get us closer to the truth.

    也是為了豐富影片的內容,讓我們更接近真相。

  • -And you see what he did

    -你看他做了什麼

  • and the awful -- the awful ending to what happened to him.

    和可怕的... ...可怕的結局發生在他身上。

  • But what he did for the community

    但他為社會所做的一切

  • and for Chicago and for -- I mean, it's unbelievable.

    而對於芝加哥和 - 我的意思是,這是令人難以置信的。

  • And you never hear these stories.

    而你從來沒有聽到這些故事。

  • -Yeah, yeah.

    -是的,是的。

  • No, in the face of incredible, like,

    不,在面對不可思議的,像。

  • white fear and white anxiety,

    白色恐懼和白色焦慮。

  • with them trying to antagonize the Black Panther Party,

    與他們試圖對抗黑豹黨。

  • they managed to, you know, like, have a free health clinic

    他們設法,你知道,像, 有一個免費的衛生診所,

  • for the sick, you know?

    為生病的人,你知道嗎?

  • Have a breakfast program to feed kids.

    有一個早餐計劃,讓孩子們吃飽。

  • Educate kids. Like, covered legal aid.

    教育孩子。就像,覆蓋的法律援助。

  • You know, they made the Rainbow Coalition,

    你知道,他們建立了彩虹聯盟。

  • where they kind of joined different communities --

    在那裡,他們那種加入不同的社區 -

  • Yeah. Go in different communities

    是啊,去不同的社區去不同的社區

  • and found points of interest even with people

    並找到了興趣點,甚至與人

  • that they had conflicts with, but into the sacrifice of

    他們有衝突,但進入犧牲的。

  • love in blackness and love in

    黑暗中的愛和愛中的愛

  • the black community, you know?

    黑人社區,你知道嗎?

  • What Chairman Fred and the Black Panther Party

    弗雷德主席和黑豹黨

  • did at that time was incredible.

    當時做的事情是不可思議的。

  • -Well, well done. I want to show everyone a clip.

    -好了,做得很好。我想給大家看一個片段。

  • Here's Daniel Kaluuya in "Judas and the Black Messiah."

    這是丹尼爾-卡盧亞在 "猶大與黑色彌賽亞 "中的表現。

  • Take a look.

    看看吧

  • -So, what can I do for you?

    -那麼,我能為你做什麼?

  • -Well, I want to know what we can do for each other.

    -我想知道我們能為對方做些什麼。

  • -[ Chuckles ]

    -[笑聲]

  • -Y'all doing some great work mobilizing

    -你們都在做一些偉大的工作,動員。

  • young brothers on the South Side,

    南區的年輕兄弟。

  • and we a part of a national organization

    我們是一個國家組織的一部分

  • dedicated to the liberation of oppressed people everywhere.

    致力於解放各地被壓迫人民,

  • -Whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-wee!

    -嗚嗚嗚,嗚嗚嗚,哇!

  • -[ Chuckles ] It's not just talk, brother.

    -這不是說說而已,兄弟。

  • Our breakfast program feeds over 2,000 kids a week.

    我們的早餐計劃每週為超過2000名孩子提供食物。

  • -The crowns feed more babies than General Mills.

    -皇冠餵養的嬰兒比通用磨坊公司還多。

  • Now, who you think employs all they mommies and daddies?

    現在,你認為誰僱用了所有的媽媽和爸爸?

  • -Well, right on, brother. Right on.

    -好吧,就這樣,兄弟說得好,兄弟 -說得好

  • The question is, can you do even more?

    問題是,你能做得更多嗎?

  • There's over 5,000 crowns in Chicago.

    芝加哥有超過5000個皇冠。

  • Between your manpower

    在你的人手之間

  • and the Panthers' political platform,

    和 "黑豹 "的政治綱領。

  • we can heal this whole city.

    我們可以治癒整個城市。

  • -Pal, congratulations on this. And thank you for making this.

    -夥計,恭喜你謝謝你做了這個

  • Daniel Kaluuya.

    丹尼爾-卡盧亞

  • You can see "Judas and the Black Messiah"

    你可以看到 "猶大和黑色彌賽亞"

  • this Friday in theaters and on HBO Max.

    本週五在影院和HBO Max上映。

-My next guest is an Academy Award-nominated actor

-我的下一位客人是一位奧斯卡獎提名的演員

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