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  • Living abroad in a country with religious freedom is really different!

  • We can have meetings and spread the gospel online.

  • - In the past, that was— - Li Rui! Li Rui!

  • There you are!

  • Did you see?

  • There's an uproar!

  • Where's the uproar?

  • There's an uproar in our church discussion group!

  • - Take a look at it! - An uproar in our group?

  • It looks like Brother Zhang posted a question and wants to discuss it with everyone.

  • Yes!

  • My goodness!

  • Does this look like a normal question?

  • Does the Trinity really exist?

  • Does it exist?

  • He's actually questioning the Trinity.

  • That's a serious issue!

  • And now everyone is posting responses!

  • Of course they are!

  • Look at this post.

  • "Are you serious?

  • We believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

  • Isn't that the Trinity?"

  • That's right.

  • "This is the foundation of our faith.

  • What gives you the self-confidence, or the courage, or the basis

  • to doubt the Trinity? Brother Zhang."

  • "What's going on here?

  • Brother Zhang has worked and preached for more than 30 years,

  • and he understands the Bible."

  • That's right.

  • "I don't know

  • how could he possibly doubt the Trinity?"

  • "Exactly.

  • Why? Brother Zhang,

  • why don't you believe in the existence of the Trinity?"

  • Even Brother Peter can't keep quiet.

  • It looks like Brother Chen is keeping his composure best.

  • "Everyone, take it easy,

  • you all need to simply calm down."

  • Wellthis

  • "Brother Zhang is a thoughtful and insightful person.

  • There must be a reason he posted this question."

  • I can't.

  • Hey, come back, come back!

  • Where are you going?

  • To ask Brother Zhang in person.

  • I want to ask him why he doubts the Trinity.

  • This is

  • Oh!

  • Then don't bother going.

  • Huh?

  • I already went and asked him.

  • Then hurry up and tell me what's going on here!

  • It was the first thing I asked him.

  • Brother Zhang,

  • our pastor has told us since childhood that God is a Trinity

  • The pastor has told us that since he was a child?

  • Since we were children,

  • we've heard the pastor say that God is a Trinity.

  • Yes.

  • Have you forgotten that?

  • That's something everyone knows by heart!

  • "It's said

  • that over 300 years after the Lord came, at the Council of Nicaea,

  • religious leaders from every nation intensely debated whether God is One or a Trinity.

  • The Council ended without a result.

  • Later, after more than a century of hard, bitter debate,

  • the Trinitarian theory of God was finally settled upon,

  • and only then did it become the unshakable belief of Christianity."

  • You see?

  • Do you see?

  • Do you see how hard it was

  • for the religious leaders to come to an agreement on the Trinitarian theory?

  • Right.

  • - It was really, really hard! - Right.

  • So what did Brother Zhang have to say to that?

  • "Mm. Look!

  • It's a shame!"

  • What?

  • "It's a shame that the theory of God the religious leaders worked so hard to come up with

  • doesn't have any basis in the Lord Jesus' words."

  • It does not?

  • Does it?

  • Has the Lord Jesus ever said God is a Trinity?

  • The Lord Jesus

  • Did He say it?

  • No, He didn't say it.

  • Then did the Holy Spirit say it?

  • Mm, no.

  • Did any prophets or apostles in the Bible ever testify that God is a Trinity?

  • No, they did not.

  • "There is only one true God.

  • God never said He is a Trinity,

  • and there is no record of it in the Bible,

  • so where does the religious world get the self-confidence, the courage, or the basis to insist

  • that God is a Trinity?"

  • We're back to his original question.

  • What matters is whether what Brother Zhang said is logical.

  • It may well be logical,

  • but thethe Trinitarian theory

  • didn't come out of nowhere.

  • It actually has a basis.

  • What is that basis?

  • Well,

  • Yeah!

  • You and I are like two peas in a pod.

  • Great minds think alike!

  • That's right!

  • The pastors and elders of the religious world

  • expounded the Trinitarian theory based on

  • the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

  • mentioned in the Bible.

  • That's right!

  • He's playing our pastor now.

  • "Brothers and sisters,

  • let me explain why we say that God is a Trinity.

  • It is because God is composed of the three different persons

  • of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

  • Right.

  • Each person contains God's complete divinity,

  • and they exist together as equals in one being.

  • That's right.

  • Even if the three persons which make up the Trinity are different,

  • they are still just one God, not three Gods."

  • If you said that to Brother Zhang, he would have been speechless, right?

  • Speechless, yes.

  • - Exactly right! - But I was speechless.

  • Huh?

  • You were the one speechless?

  • But

  • Brother Li,

  • But did the Lord Jesus say that They are a Trinity?

  • Did He say that there are three persons in God?

  • No, He didn't.

  • But doesn't the idea of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit mean that?

  • Doesn't that prove that God is made up of three different persons?

  • If that's your logic then,

  • let me ask you:

  • Who is the Father?

  • Jehovah God!

  • Who is the Son?

  • The Lord Jesus!

  • And the Holy Spirit?

  • Ha!

  • The Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit, that's …

  • Then is the Father the Holy Spirit?

  • Yes.

  • Is the Son's essence the Holy Spirit?

  • The Lord Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit,

  • so of course His essence was the Holy Spirit.

  • Then are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all the same Spirit?

  • They're obviously all one Spirit!

  • Then since They're one, why do we say They are three persons?

  • Surely three persons mean three separate Spirits?

  • But

  • And three separate Spirits mean three separate Gods?

  • But

  • And doesn't that contradict the fact that there is one true God?

  • Is this how Brother Zhang fellowshiped with you?

  • Hold on, I need a minute.

  • Think on it.

  • There is only one God,

  • and only one Holy Spirit.

  • Right.

  • God is a Trinity, so He is three persons.

  • Three persons mean three Gods.

  • And three Gods mean three Spirits.

  • That's not right.

  • One?

  • Three?

  • Three?

  • One?

  • Huh?

  • - Why is there a contradiction here? - You went from one God to three.

  • - Of course there's a contradiction! - This, this, this

  • There can't be a contradiction.

  • And why is that?

  • It's true that there's only one God

  • Right.

  • however

  • However

  • the one God is made up of three parts

  • the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

  • These three parts put together make the complete God,

  • and only that can be called God Himself.

  • Oh!

  • Yes!

  • If you had said that to Brother Zhang,

  • he would have been speechless!

  • That's exactly what I said to him!

  • Oh yeah?

  • And it was still me who was left speechless.

  • You see?

  • Wait, what?

  • What did he say that left you speechless again? This is

  • "Brother Li,

  • there is only one God,

  • and God only has one Spirit.

  • According to the theory of the Trinity,

  • the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit each have Their own distinct essence

  • and each One is a distinct person,

  • which means that God is made up of three parts."

  • Yes.

  • "Doesn't that mean three Gods and three Spirits?

  • How could three separate Spirits join to become one?"

  • Just like the three cups of water can be poured into one,

  • the three Spirits can also join together.

  • Oh!

  • So the three Spirits can be poured together to make one just like three cups of water?

  • Is there any mistake in that understanding?

  • I wouldn't call it a mistake,

  • I'd call it complete nonsense!

  • Hey!

  • Aren't you turning God's Spirit into physical matter?

  • Can we just divide up and combine God's Spirit however we please?

  • But if we don't combine God's Spirits into one,

  • is He still the one true God?

  • Then by the theory of the Trinity,

  • all three have to be put together to be God.

  • So then, if They aren't put together,

  • They aren't God on Their own?

  • Well

  • That

  • Huh?

  • By the theory of the Trinity,

  • if we don't put Them together,

  • would that then mean that Jehovah God isn't the one true God?

  • That's …

  • According to the theory of the Trinity,

  • if we don't put Them together, the Holy Spirit isn't God?

  • According to the theory of the Trinity,

  • if we don't put Them together, Lord Jesus isn't God?

  • According to the theory of the Trinity

  • Wait, wait, wait.

  • That's enough.

  • What's the matter?

  • Why is it that the more you talk, the more panicked I feel?

  • If we go by the theory of the Trinity,

  • it appears as if we're denying the one true God.

  • Isn't that exactly it?

  • The religious world separates God into three parts, three persons,

  • and then joins them into one being.

  • Isn't that dividing God?

  • Isn't that denying that God is the one true God?

  • Then that means the theory of the Trinity

  • really doesn't hold up?

  • Therefore,

  • when the religious community explains the Trinity with the Lord Jesus' words,

  • "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,"

  • they are misinterpreting the Lord's words.

  • I see