字幕列表 影片播放 列印英文字幕 -Our next guest represents California's 45th Congressional District. Please welcome back to the show Congresswoman Katie Porter. How are you, Katie? -I'm doing fine. Hanging in there. -You have three children. You are a single mother who is balancing your duties with being a parent. You were just saying your 14-year-old is crushing social distancing. -No, it's like a middle schooler's dream. You don't have to actually go to the middle school. So he's texting. He's playing his guitar. I haven't seen him in a week. But I assume he's still there and healthy. -You have a reputation, well-earned reputation, as being one of the toughest questioners on Capitol Hill. It seems like you have a good B.S. detector. Do your children appreciate that from you? Or do she resent the fact that their mom is so good at knowing when people are maybe not telling the whole truth? -Well, it might be genetic, so I feel like they're getting it. So, I think one of the problems is when you're constantly calling B.S. on your kids, they learn how to do it back on you. So I can't tell you the number of times that my kids have kind of been, like, holding me accountable, and I'm like, "Well, this only works in one direction." But not true in the family environment. So I am overdue on my allowance payments. And I have just failed them in an interminable number of ways that they are letting me know on a very regular basis. They're my very toughest constituents to keep happy. -You have been critical about the fact that Congress is not working particularly well remotely up to this point. There was talk that Congress was going to go back. Now we hear that that's not the case. Can you speak to how you feel Congress should be operating at a time like this? -We're asking the American people to adapt, to do things differently than they've done before, to be creative, to learn how to use new technology, to be flexible, to put public health ahead of everything else. And Congress should be leading by example here rather than acting like an exception. So there may be reasons that we need to go back. I was just back in Washington, DC, last week to vote for more money to help small businesses. But we ought to be adapting to using technology whenever we can to allow us to be as effective as possible while still protecting all of the transit workers and others, our staff, everyone that we engage with when we do travel back to Washington. So it is absolutely time to be training people. If you still have a flip phone and you're a member of Congress, it's time to trade that model up. -And -- [ Laughs ] Some, of course, are -- -You laugh as if that's like a small caucus. I mean, the flip-phone caucus has double-digit membership. And it's a bipartisan caucus, I want to add. -I would imagine. Right. There is a lot of times it feels like we're being partisan in our criticism. I would imagine that it's very bipartisan, the flip-phone caucus. [ Laughs ] Do you -- Some people, of course, are standing up for the tradition of Congress and saying the founders would be very anti-Zoom. Do you believe our founding fathers would like Zoom or dislike it? -So, I think that, given the situation that we're in with regard to health, plus the fact that the technology exists, I think that having a Zoom meeting would satisfy the founding fathers' idea of assembling Congress. And I think what would really -- I think when you're faced with the alternative, I think what would really alarm the founding fathers is allowing Congress to become a sort of four-member body in which you have Kevin McCarthy and Nancy Pelosi on the House side and Leader McConnell and Leader Schumer on the Senate side -- and you have only four people, in essence, being the Congress and meeting and making decisions, because that is what's silencing the diversity of the voices that we have in the House. So Zoom is a way to allow more representatives to have a voice and therefore more Americans to have a voice. It's actually the most Democratic thing we can do in light of the need to protect public health. -And how good do you think your colleagues would be at muting or unmuting themselves on Zoom? -I mean, I wouldn't want to take the past to be the best that we could do. There is a lot of mute and unmute discussion. I would estimate right around 5% to 10% of everything that we do is related to unmuting and what button should be pressed. But, look, people can change. I spent my career teaching people. People can learn Zoom. People can learn how to use technology. And there are legit concerns that we have to think about as we make this transition. One of them that's most important to me is how we're going to let the American public participate or view what we're doing. We're having briefings on my Oversight Committee, on my Financial Services Committee, Progressive Caucus, all of these different things. We're doing the work, but we're not allowing the American people to see what we're doing and to learn what we're learning. And that's the most important thing that we should be thinking about, is how do we give the American people transparency into the decisions that Congress is making right now?