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  • ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: WELCOME BACK,

  • EVERYBODY.

  • YOU KNOW MY FIRST GUEST FROM FILMS SUCH AS "BROKEBACK

  • MOUNTAIN," "NIGHTCRAWLER," AND "SPIDER-MAN: FAR FROM HOME."

  • PLEASE WELCOME TO "A LATE SHOW," JAKE GYLLENHAAL!

  • JAKE!

  • HI!

  • >> SHHH!

  • SHHH!

  • >> Stephen: WHAT'S UP?

  • WHY ARE WE-- >> SHHH!

  • >> Stephen: ( WHISPERING )

  • WHY ARE WE WHISPERING?

  • >> I HAVE-- I HAVE SOURDOUGH RISING.

  • SHHH!

  • IT'S RESTING.

  • MY SOURDOUGH IS RESTING.

  • >> Stephen: IS THAT SOMETHING SOURDOUGH--

  • >> SHHH!

  • >> Stephen: IS THAT SOMETHING SOURDOUGH HAS TO DO?

  • IT HAS TO REST.

  • >> YES!

  • >> Stephen: I DON'T-- I DON'T KNOW.

  • >> WE CAN SPIENG A LITTLE.

  • THEY'RE DEEP SLEEPING.

  • >> Stephen: IS IT-- HAVE YOU-- HAVE YOU FALLEN INTO THE

  • SOURDOUGH CULT?

  • BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OBSETION A LOT OF PEOPLE RIGHT

  • NOW.

  • >> AS MY HAIR HAS GROWN LONGER AND AS I-- I HAVE SORT OF SLOWLY

  • INCHED INTO THE HIPSTER WORLD, I'VE FOUND MYSELF FALLING IN

  • LOVE WITH SOURDOUGH.

  • ACTUALLY, I HAVE EYE HAVE NOTHING-- I HAVE NOTHING TO DO,

  • AND SO MY-- I HAVE A GOOD FRIEND WHO IS A BAKER IN SAN FRANCISCO.

  • HE HAS AN AMAZING BAKERY CALLED "THE MILL," AND WE WERE TALKING.

  • AND I-- I-- I HATE THIS, BUT I WAS LIKE, "YOU CAN TEACH ME HOW

  • TO-- CAN YOU TEACH ME HOW TO DO A SOURDOUGH STARTER?"

  • AND SO OFF-- OFF I WENT.

  • >> Stephen: DID HE TEACH YOU HOW TO DO A SOURDOUGH STARTER OR

  • DID HE GIVE YOU SOURDOUGH STARTER?

  • >> HE-- HE GAVE ME WHAT HE CALLS "JOSIE'S MAGIC."

  • HE SENT IT TO ME IN THE MAIL.

  • HIS NAME IS JOSIE BAKER.

  • HE SENT IT TO ME IN THE MAIL, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS SOME

  • ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE.

  • AND THEN I USED IT.

  • IT DIDN'T FULLY WORK, BUT SHE SENT ME SOME FLOWER WITH IT,

  • SOME RYE FLOWER-- ( WHISPERING )

  • SOME RYE FLOWER.

  • >> Stephen: I ASKED FOR THIS REASON BECAUSE I HAVE SOME.

  • I HAVE THIS STUFF RIGHT HERE.

  • I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH IT YET.

  • BUT IT-- IT-- MY NIECE IS MAKING SOURDOUGH.

  • IT CERTAINLY SMELLS SOUR.

  • IT'S LIKE-- IT SMELLS A LITTLE BIT LIKE YOGURT.

  • IS THAT RIGHT?

  • >> LIKE VINEGAR.

  • IT SHOULD -- >> Stephen: YEAH, IT'S

  • VINEGARY.

  • >> ARE THERE BUBBLES IN IT?

  • >> Stephen: YEAH, THERE ARE BUBBLES.

  • THERE'S SOME FOAM ON THE TOP.

  • NOW WHAT DO I DO?

  • >> OKAY, HOLD ON -- >> Stephen: I CAN'T-- I CAN'T

  • EAT THAT.

  • WHAT DO I DO?

  • >> YOU GO FROM THAT TO THIS.

  • ( WHISPERING ) WHEN IS RESTING.

  • IT'S NOT YET FULLY RISING, BUT IT'S ON ITS WAY.

  • >> Stephen: THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.

  • BUT THEN WHAT DO I DO WITH THIS NOW?

  • >> AS IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, AS IF I-- WHAT I DO WITH IT, IS I TAKE

  • THE STARTER, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GET A NICE SORT OF WHEAT

  • FLOUR, AND YOU MAKE A LEVANTE.

  • OR A PRE-FER MENT IN AMERICA.

  • WHEN LET THAT REST FOR 12-24 HOURS, AND THEN YOU CAN START

  • MIXING IT UP INTO SOME OTHER FLOUR, AND THEN MAKE YOUR DOUGH.

  • >> Stephen: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT MOTIVATES ANYONE TO WATCH

  • TELEVISION ANYMORE.

  • SO IT IS POSSIBLE THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW IS EITHER

  • GETTING SUPER BOWL RATINGS OR PEOPLE ARE SCRAMBLING FOR THE

  • REMOTE RIGHT NOW TO CLICK OVER TO ANYTHING ELSE.

  • >> THERE'S A VERY PARTICULAR KIND OF AUDIENCE WHO IS

  • DEFINITELY INTO THIS.

  • THERE ARE 14 PEOPLE -- >> Stephen: I WANT TO-- AND

  • PASS ON FROM MY WIFE AND ALSO MYSELF, A TREMENDOUS COMPLEMENT

  • FOR YOUR PERFORMANCE THE OTHER NIGHT IN "TAKE ME TO THE WORLD:

  • A SONDHEIM 90th BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION."

  • YOU SAYING YOU'VE ON FROM SUN NET PARK WITH GEORGE, WHICH YOU

  • DID ON BROADWAY, WITH ANA LEE ARBFORD.

  • EVERY SONDHEIM SONG IS BEAUTIFUL AND HEARTBREAKING IN ITS OWN

  • WAY, BUT IT WAS AN AMAZING PERFORMANCE.

  • WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CLIP RIGHT HERE

  • EXPLORE THE LIGHT I WANT TO KNOW HOW TO GET

  • THROUGHTHROUGH TO SOMETHING NEW

  • SOMETHING OF MY OWN ♪ >> Stephen: HOW DID YOU DO

  • SOMETHING OF MY OWN ♪ >> Stephen: HOW DID YOU DO

  • THAT?

  • HOW DID YOU DO THAT A CAPPELLA AND IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS?

  • HOW DID YOU ACHIEVE THAT?

  • >> I MEAN, LOOK, IT MAY BE A SURPRISE TO YOU BUT I'M NOT A

  • PROFESSIONAL SINGER.

  • I DON'T DO A LOT OF RECORDING.

  • >> Stephen: IT IS A SURPRISE TO ME BECAUSE THAT WAS

  • BEAUTIFUL.

  • >> OH, WELL, THANKS.

  • I DON'T KNOW.

  • WE HAD-- I HAD-- I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW.

  • WE HAD TO PLAY-- WE HAD AN ACCOMPANIMENT, AND WE HAD TO

  • SING TOGETHER WITH OUR EAR POD, AND THE TIMING WAS OFF.

  • IT WAS-- IT WAS VERY HARD.

  • WE HAD TO-- WE HAD TO SORT OF RECORD SORT OF TRACKS BEFORE THE

  • OTHER ONE IN ORDER TO SING TOGETHER.

  • IT'S PROBABLY WHAT LIKE DOING THIS SHOW IS FOR YOU.

  • IT'S ALMOST-- TS INEXPLICABLE.

  • >> Stephen: YES.

  • >> YOU KNOW?

  • I CAN'T EVEN -- >> Stephen: DID I WATCH IT?

  • DID YOU WATCH THE SHOW LATER BECAUSE IT'S SO EXTRAORDINARY.

  • AS I SAID, EVERY SONDHEIM SONG IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT I DON'T KNOW

  • ALL OF THEM, BUT EVERY SINGLE ONE, YOU'RE LIKE, "I DON'T

  • REALLY KNOW THAT WELL."

  • BY THE END OF IT, YOU'RE JUST WEEPING BY THE END OF IT.

  • >> HAD THEY TOLD ME I WAS GOING TO BE SANDWICHED BETWEEN AUDREY

  • McDONALD, MERYL STREEP, AND BERNADETTE PETERS, I WOULD HAVE

  • NEVER BEEN ABLE TO PERFORM.

  • >> Stephen: IT WORKED OUT.

  • IT WORKED OUT.

  • I PROMISE YOU.

  • >> YEAH.

  • >> Stephen: DO YOU HAVE A FAVORITE SONDHEIM SONG.

  • OBVIOUSLY, AS I SAID, YOU WERE "THE GEORGES" IN "SUNNY IN THE

  • PARK WITH GEORGE."

  • BUT DO YOU HAVE A FAVORITE SONDHEIM SONG?

  • >> "DONT WAKEN THE SOURDOUGH."

  • DO YOU KNOW THAT ONE.

  • >> Stephen: I DO.

  • ANYONE CAN WHISTLE RIGHT.

  • >> I DO, THAT SONG "NO MORE," AT THE TRIBUTE IS MY FAVORITE

  • SONDHEIM SONG FOR THE MOMENT.

  • AND ONE OF THE LYRICS FROM IT THAT I JUST-- THE LINES, "NO

  • MORE CURSES WE CAN'T UNDO LEFT BY FATHERS WE NEVER KNEW" IS

  • JUST LIKE-- THERE ARE SO MANY LINES IN THAT SONG.

  • THAT ENTIRE SONG IS FILLED WITH INCREDIBLE WISDOM.

  • BUT I LOVE THAT LINE SO MUCH.

  • >> Stephen: HOW WELL DO YOU KNOW STEPHEN SONDHEIM?

  • >> UHM, UH, I MEAN, WELL, WE'VE HAD DINNER.

  • WE'VE HAD DINNER.

  • I MEAN -- >> Stephen: THAT'S NOT BAD.

  • >> I MEAN, I WOULD SAY-- I GRADUATED FROM CALLING HIM

  • "STEPHEN" TO CALLING HIM ASK THE QT STEVE."

  • >> Stephen: I NOTICED.

  • I NOTICED THAT YOU-- >> DID YOU NOTICE?

  • >> Stephen: PEOPLE ON THE SPECIAL STEPHEN AND SOME PEOPLE

  • CALLED HIM STEVE.

  • AND I KNOW MR. SONDHEIM A LITTLE BIT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD

  • BRING MYSELF TO CALL HIM STEVE.

  • THAT'S BOLD.

  • >> THAT MOMENT WHERE I TRIED IT WITH HIM IN PERSON, YOU KNOW,

  • LIKE I TRIED IT IN PERSON.

  • AND I FELT LIKE MY WORLD COULD EITHER COMPLETELY UNDO OR IT

  • COULD COME TOGETHER IN COMPLETE HARMONY.

  • AND I PUT IT OUT THERE, AND HE ALLOWED IT.

  • >> Stephen: OH, WOW.

  • >> IT'S LIKE-- YEAH, IT WAS -- >> Stephen: THAT'S LIKE

  • STEALING HOME.

  • >> HUH?

  • >> Stephen: I SAID THAT'S LIKE STEALING HOME.

  • >> IT WAS.

  • >> Stephen: NOW, YOU DID-- THE LAST TIME YOU WERE ON WE WERE

  • TALKING ABOUT "SEA WALL/A LIFE, WHICH WAS ON THE PUBLIC AND THEN

  • BROADWAY.

  • THURSDAY, TELL ME IF I HAVE THIS RIGHT-- THOSE WHO DIDN'T GET TO

  • SEE YOU ON STAGE CAN LISTEN IT TO IT ON AUDIBLE.

  • >> YES, THURSDAY APRIL 30.

  • IT WILL ACTUALLY BE FREE, APPARENTLY, FOR AUDIBLE MEMBERS

  • UNTIL MAY.

  • END OF MAY.

  • NOT ONE DAY.

  • TLL THE END OF MAY.

  • APRIL 30 TO MAY 1 IT'S FREE.

  • FOR FIVE SECONDS -- >> Stephen: I WANT TO-- I WANT

  • TO ASK YOU-- AND I'M ASKING FOR A FRIEND.

  • HOW IS IT LIKE FOR YOU TO PERFORM SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE

  • USED TO DOING IN FRONT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE WITH NO AUDIENCE AT

  • ALL?

  • BECAUSE I'D BE CURIOUS THAT WHAT FEELS LIKE, JAKE.

  • >> WELL, I HAVE-- I'VE HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS NOW, SO

  • I REALLY CAN SPEAK TO IT.

  • WHO-- WHO DO YOU KNOW THAT HAS TO DO THAT?

  • >> Stephen: I HAVE A FRIEND.

  • IHAVE A FRIEND.

  • HE CALLED ME UP-- HE TALKS TO ME IN THE MIRROR IN THE MIDDLE OF

  • THE NIGHT, AND HE'S-- HE'S-- HE JUST WANTS TO KNOW HOW TO KEEP

  • DOING IT.

  • >> OKAY, YEAH, WELL, I FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT MOST THINGS.

  • BUT I-- IT WAS-- IT WAS REALLY HARD.

  • I HAVE TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL EVERY NIGHT, BUT IT'S

  • LIKE THIS SENSE OF NOT HAVING AN AUDIENCE, NOT STLAG AUDIENCE

  • THERE IS DEATH DEFYING.

  • IT'S WORSE AND SCARIER THAN HAVING AN AUDIENCE.

  • AND IT'S PRETTY SCARY HAVING AN AUDIENCE.

  • BUT IT ALSO GIVES YOU SO MUCH LIFE.

  • IT'S EVERYTHING.

  • THEY'RE EVERYTHING,UN.

  • AS WITNESSED BY THIS INTERVIEW.

  • >> Stephen: WELL, I-- I SAY IF IT'S A REALLY GOOD AUDIENCE, I

  • COME OFF STAGE WITH MORE ENERGY THAN I WENT ON.

  • >> YES.

  • >> Stephen: I COULD BE SICK AND I COME OFF AND I'M HEALED.

  • >> YES.

  • >> Stephen: DOING A SHOW WITHOUT AN AUDIENCE YOU'RE LEFT

  • WITH YOUR OWN DEVICES AND YOUR OWN ENERGY LEVELS-- IT'S A

  • LOVELY JOB.

  • >> BUT YOU GET TO HAVE YOUR WIFE AROUND ALL THE TIME.

  • >> Stephen: I DO, AND MY SON IS HERE AS MY STAGE MANAGER AND

  • LIGHTING GUY AND SOUND GUY.

  • >> COULD ANYTHING BE BETTER?

  • IF I HAD MY FAMILY AROUND ME ON STAGE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WOULD

  • DO.

  • I WOULD PROBABLY LOSE IT, YOU KNOW.

  • >> Stephen: IT CAN BE HARD SOMETIMES.

  • WHEN I'M DOING A SHOW, I DON'T PARTICULARLY WANT TO SEE MY

  • FAMILY'S FACE IN THE FRONT ROW WHEN I'M DOING IT.

  • THE AUDIENCE IS JUST THIS THING, I KIND OF-- WHAT DO YOU PICTURE

  • WHEN YOU DO THE SHOW?

  • ARE YOU DOING IT FOR 400 PEOPLE?

  • WHO DO YOU IMAGINE YOU'RE DOING IT FOR?

  • >> WHEN I'M ON STAGE OR WHEN I DID THE RECORDING OF IT?

  • >> Stephen: WHEN YOU'RE ON STAGE.

  • WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY PERFORMING IN FRONT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE.

  • >> IT DEPENDS.

  • THIS SHOW WAS A MONOLOGUE, SO AS A RESULT OF BEING THAT, IT WAS

  • AN EXCHANGE WITH THE AUDIENCE.

  • WE HAD TO-- I DID THINK OF THEM THERE EVERY NIGHT.

  • AND THERE WOULD BE SOUNDS FROM THE AUDIENCE AND I WOULD RESPOND

  • TO THEM, YOU KNOW.

  • WE NEVER REALLY PRETENDED THAT THERE WAS EVER THAT FOURTH WALL,

  • OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.

  • SO I-- WHATEVER WOULD HAPPEN WOULD HAPPEN.

  • WHEN WE WERE RECORDING IT, IT WAS LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW WHO I WAS

  • TALKING TO.

  • I-- IT TOOK ME MANY TAKES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PIECE WAS

  • EVEN ABOUT WITHOUT AN AUDIENCE.

  • >> Stephen: BECAUSE YOU LOSE-- >> DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT EVERY

  • NIGHT?

  • >> Stephen: ABSOLUTELY.

  • YOU LOSE THE RHYTHM.