Pat Mitchell: Your first time back on the TEDWomen stage.

帕特·米歇爾：妳第一次回到 TEDWomen

to 不定詞

Sheryl Sandberg: First time back. Nice to see everyone. It's always so nice to look out

雪莉·桑德伯格：是的
很高興見到大家，總是很高興

祈使句型

It's so not my regular experience, 
as I know anyone else's.

這不像是我平常會有的經驗
我想其他人也是

PM: So when we first started talking about, maybe the subject wouldn't be social media,

我們第一次談話時
或許主題不算是社群媒體

which we assumed it would be, but 
that you had very much on your mind

我們以為會是，但妳有許多其它想法

the missing leadership positions, particularly 
in the sector of technology and social media.

失落的領導位階
特別是科技與社群媒體

But how did that evolve for you as a thought, and end up being the TED Talk that you gave?

但這些是如何讓妳產生想法
最後成為妳上次在 TED 談話的主題呢？

SS: So I was really scared to get on 
this stage and talk about women,

我本來很害怕在這裡討論女性議題

because I grew up in the business 
world, as I think so many of us did.

因為我在商場上打滾
我想我們很多人都是如此

You never talk about being a woman, because 
someone might notice that you're a woman, right?

妳不曾談論身為女性這件事
因為這會讓人發覺妳是一位女性

They might notice. Or worse, if you say "woman," 
people on the other end of the table

他們可能會察覺，或者更糟
妳提到「女性」時，桌子另一頭的人

think you're asking for special 
treatment, or complaining.

會覺得妳在要求
特別的待遇或是在抱怨

Or worse, about to sue them. 
And so I went through -- (Laughter)

或者更糟的情況是要告發他們
所以我在我... （笑聲）

Right? I went through my entire business career,

and never spoke about being a woman, 
never spoke about it publicly.

從不在公開場合提及身為女性這件事

But I also had noticed that it wasn't working.

I came out of college over 
20 years ago, and I thought

that all of my peers were men and women, 
all the people above me were all men,

我的同事有男有女
但老闆都是男的

because your generation had done such 
an amazing job fighting for equality,

因為妳們這一代為了平等
做了許多驚人的貢獻

equality was now ours for the taking. And it wasn't.

我們得到平等待遇，但沒有改變

Because year after year, I was one of fewer and fewer,

一年過了一年，我是少數中的少數

should I give a speech at TEDWomen 
about women, and they said, oh no, no.

我應該在 TEDWomen 提到女性嗎？
他們都說不要不要

It will end your business career. You 
cannot be a serious business executive

這會毀了妳的工作
妳無法同時是執行長

and speak about being a woman. 
You'll never be taken seriously again.

又談論女性議題
這樣沒有人會再把妳當一回事

But fortunately, there were the few, the proud -- like you -- who told me I should give the speech,

但幸運地，還有些人，值得驕傲的人
像是妳，告訴我應該談論這議題

and I asked myself the question 
Mark Zuckerberg might --

而我問自己一個問題
這也是馬克·祖克柏

asks all of us, which is, what 
would I do if I wasn't afraid?

也可能會問我們的問題
那就是如果我不退縮的話會怎麼做？

And the answer to what would I do if I wasn't 
afraid is I would get on the TED stage,

而答案是，如果我不退縮
我就會站在 TED 的講台上

and talk about women, and leadership. 
And I did, and survived. (Applause)

談論女性議題和領導力
我做到了，而且活過來了（掌聲）

PM: I would say, not only survived. 
I'm thinking of that moment, Sheryl,

我想說，不單只是活過來
雪莉，我想到當時

when you and I were standing backstage 
together, and you turned to me,

我們站在後台的時候，妳轉向我

And I said -- very last minute -- you know, 
you really should share that story.

在最後一刻，我跟妳說
妳真的應該分享這個故事

SS: Well, it's an important part of the 
journey. So I had -- TEDWomen --

那是旅程中很重要的一部分
TEDWomen 一開始

the original one was in D.C. -- so I live here, 
so I had gotten on a plane the day before,

是在華盛頓特區，我住在這裡
所以我前一天就要搭飛機過去

and my daughter was three, she was 
clinging to my leg: "Mommy, don't go."

我3歲女兒則是纏著我的腿
說：「媽咪不要走」

And Pat's a friend, and so, not related 
to the speech I was planning on giving,

帕特則是我的朋友
所以這跟我要演講的無關

which was chock full of facts and 
figures, and nothing personal,

演講是關於事實和圖表
不是私人的經驗

I told Pat the story. I said, well, 
I'm having a hard day.

我跟帕特講了這個故事
說我有個難過的一天

Yesterday my daughter was clinging 
to my leg, and "Don't go."

And you looked at me and said, 
you have to tell that story.

I said, on the TED stage? Are you kidding?

我說，在 TED 台上嗎？
妳開玩笑的吧？

I'm going to get on a stage and admit 
my daughter was clinging to my leg?

我要站在講台上
然後承認我女兒纏著我的腿？

And you said yes, because if you want to talk 
about getting more women into leadership roles,

妳說，對，如果妳要讓更多女性
扮演領導者的角色

you have to be honest about how hard it is.

And I did. And I think that's a really 
important part of the journey.

而我就真的講了這故事
那真的是旅程中很重要的一部分

The same thing happened when I wrote my book. 
I started writing the book. I wrote a first chapter,

同樣的事在我寫書的時候又發生一次
我開始寫書，寫了第一章

I thought it was fabulous. It was 
chock-full of data and figures,

我認為寫得很好
都是數據和圖表

I had three pages on matrilineal Maasai 
tribes, and their sociological patterns.

我有三頁在講
母系社會的馬賽部落和其社會習性

My husband read it and he was like, this 
is like eating your Wheaties. (Laughter)

我老公讀了之後他覺得
這像是在吃威迪（Wheaties）麥片 （笑聲）

No one -- and I apologize to Wheaties if there's 
someone -- no one, no one will read this book.

沒有人 -- 如果這裡有吃威迪麥片的人
我先說抱歉 -- 沒有人會讀這本書的

And I realized through the process that I 
had to be more honest and more open,

在過程中，我發現
我必須要更坦白更放得開

and I had to tell my stories. My stories of still 
not feeling as self-confident as I should,

我必須要講我自己的故事
在很多情況下對自己不夠有自信的故事

in many situations. My first and 
failed marriage. Crying at work.

我第一次失敗的婚姻
工作時掉眼淚

Felling like I didn't belong there, 
feeling guilty to this day.

感覺我不屬於那裡、至今仍感到內咎

And part of my journey, starting on this stage, 
going to "Lean In," going to the foundation,

我的旅程某部分從這個台上開始
一直到《挺身而進》出版，再到基金會

is all about being more open and 
honest about those challenges,

全部都是更開闊
更坦然地去面對這些挑戰

so that other women can be more open and honest,

所以其他女性也能
更開闊更坦然地去面對

and all of us can work together towards real equality.

我們可以一起朝向真實的平等前進

PM: I think that one of the most 
striking parts about the book,

and in my opinion, one of the reasons it's hit such 
a nerve and is resonating around the world,

我認為，這本書能切中要害
在全世界引起共鳴

is that you are personal in the book, 
and that you do make it clear that,

某個原因是妳在書裡分享私人的經驗
而且講得很清楚

while you've observed some things that are 
very important for other women to know,

妳發現某些事
是其他女性也必須知道的

that you've had the same challenges 
that many others of us have,

as you faced the hurdles and the barriers and 
possibly the people who don't believe the same.

妳面對的障礙和困難
可能其他人並不相信是一致的

So talk about that process: deciding 
you'd go public with the private part,

跟我們談談這個過程：
妳決定公開妳私人的生活

and then you would also put yourself in 
the position of something of an expert

SS: After I did the TED Talk, what happened was --

you know, I never really expected to write 
a book, I'm not an author, I'm not a writer,

我沒有想過會去寫一本書
我並不是一位作家

and it was viewed a lot, and it really 
started impacting people's lives.

但很多人看了這本書
也開始影響很多人的生活

I got this great --- one of the first 
letters I got was from a woman

我覺得很棒 -- 我收到的第一封信
是來自一位女性

who said that she was offered a really big 
promotion at work, and she turned it down,

說她的工作獲得升遷
但她拒絕了

and she told her best friend she turned 
it down, and her best friend said,

她跟她的好朋友說她拒絕了
她好朋友說

妳真的應該去看看這個 TED 演講

And so she watched this TED Talk, and she 
went back the next day, she took the job,

她去看了 TED 演講
第二天回去上班，她接受了升遷

she went home, and she handed her 
husband the grocery list. (Laughter)

她回家後
把購物清單交給她老公（笑聲）

And what really mattered to me -- it wasn't 
only women in the corporate world,

對我真正有意義的是
它不只影響在公司中的女性

even though I did hear from a lot of 
them, and it did impact a lot of them,

雖然回應有很多是來自商場上的女性
也確實深深影響她們

it was also people of all different circumstances.

但它也影響到所有不同環境下的人

There was a doctor I met who was an 
attending physician at Johns Hopkins,

我遇到一位在約翰·霍普金斯的主治醫師

and he said that until he saw my TED 
Talk, it never really occurred to him

他說在他看 TED 之前
他從沒發現

that even though half the students in 
his med school classes were women,

they weren't speaking as much as 
the men as he did his rounds.

So he started paying attention, and as he waited for 
raised hands, he realized the men's hands were up.

之後他開始留意，等學生舉手
結果他發現舉手的確實都是男生

So he started encouraging the 
women to raise their hands more,

So he told everyone, no more 
hand raising, I'm cold-calling.

他就告訴大家
不用舉手了，用叫名字的

So he could call evenly on men and women. 
And what he proved to himself was that

他就男女均等的叫名
結果他發現

the women knew the answers just as well or better,

女生回答的跟男生一樣好，或更好

and he was able to go back 
to them and tell them that.

他決定要回課堂上告訴大家這件事

And then there was the woman, stay-at-home 
mom, lives in a really difficult neighborhood,

還有一位家庭主婦
住在非常糟的社區

with not a great school, she said that TED 
Talk -- she's never had a corporate job,

不是好的學區
她從沒在公司行號上班過

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